Drivers stand to benefit from ELDs?

| April 23, 2014

ELD plans poll In a blog post published on the website of Overdrive sister fleet magazine CCJ, Equipment Editor Jack Roberts addressed Overdrive‘s survey on drivers and owner-operators’ plans relative to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration’s proposed electronic logging device (ELD) mandate, currently under a public comment period. As Roberts noted, the survey showed “a whopping 71 percent of independent [owner-operators and small fleet owners] responding to the survey said they’d fold up their tents and quit … if an ELD mandate became law.” 

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Polling, Roberts wrote, “can be notoriously tricky to get right, as Fox News discovered on Election Night back in 2012. Which is why I don’t believe for one minute that 71 percent of all the owner-operators on the road today are going to say, ‘Screw it!’ and quit if an ELD mandate becomes law. It’s one thing to answer a few questions on a survey and say you’ll quit. It’s another thing to think about feeding your family, making the rent and keeping the lights on when push comes to shove. And besides, in case you haven’t heard, jobs are still hard to come by in this economy.”

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Roberts went on to address the issue that “cuts to the core of the opposition to ELDs,” he wrote: Privacy. “Americans are a free people increasingly surrounded by a growing Surveillance State. Technology has made it easier than ever before to track the movements and activities of people as they go through all aspects of their lives. Sometimes this is a good thing: The identification and capture of the Boston Marathon bombers last year springs to mind.” Sometimes not. 

You can read his full story, including thoughts from a fleet owner who recently made the switch to ELDs, and some of that fleet’s drivers, via this link.

  • independent driver

    I’m 3rd generation trucker and yes I’m sick of all the government bullshit and the big companies that have been trying to put us out of business for years and to me this is just another expense for no reason. Why if I own one truck and drive that truck should I need another expense for no reason ? Why should I have to not only pay for some piece of equipment that I don’t need or want in my truck then also have to pay for someone to keep records that I’ve been doing for 40 years ! I pay enough to keep my truck running that I don’t need any more expense. To me , and just like the new hours of service it’s a bunch of B.S. I’m not a robot and don’t need to be told and babysat by our government who wants to be sitting in my truck with me . It’s funny how some idiot that sits behind a desk and doesn’t have a clue thinks he or she knows everything about being a trucker. And if we were all smart we’d stick together and get this mess straightened out once and for all. But unfortunately, there too many brainwashed company drivers and foreigners behind the wheels of trucks now a days . Most of the foreigners can barely speak English so how they got their licenses I’ll never know. I do no if we did get together we could change what’s going on in the trucking industry but no one wants to take the time or effort to try . The big companies that have the money and time to hire lawyers and people to get things more screwed up than they need to be will always win the fights because where too busy with supporting families and mortgage payments and bills in general to stop and fight for our rights as human beings to survive ! The big companies want to own the trucking industry and that’s what’s been going on ! I can understand a company that has a 100 trucks or so to want this .It’s more efficient. I used to work for a big company years ago and we used them with was fine cause they wanted to make sure they got their money’s worth so to say out of drivers and they weren’t screwing off. But a single truck person? There’s no need for it! It’s just another way to take more money for no reason! It’s just more aggravation on top of all the bullshit I already have to pay for ! It has nothing to do with safety , that’s just blowing smoke up my ass as usual ! But what else is new!

  • kojack

    Im pretty sure I started driving 30 years ago because I didnt play well with others and I liked the freedom of doing pretty much what I wanted whenever I wanted. Now with the ELD law coming into effect the freedom is going away. Our feedoms as Americans are being taken one by one and now our feedoms as America’s Movers are being taken one at a time. Leave us alone and let us do our job. We will weed out the bad ones out on our own.

  • brahuro

    U r right I have been in this business for a long time first I don’t believe that the government has the right to mandate elogs but all the guys on here bitching and pissing and moaning r the ones that should look at the green book that does stat federal law what did u think u r a private entity!! If u r so against following the federal law then park your truck go to Washington and state your case and let me know how it works out for u. What u need to understand is the fmcsa will make things worse for consumers and manufacturing and once that happens they will have to change things back to the right laws.

  • brahuro

    Finally someone with commons sense I have run paper and elogs and back on paper again for a small company (all o/o) we have guys that have so many hos violations that the fmcsa will make the company use elogs which I now use bigroad elog on my cell. The guys bitching r no different then drunk drivers say I didn’t do nothing wrong. U can’t run legal and make money u r in the wrong business. And u guys on here saying invasion of privacy u can’t b more wrong r privacy went out the door since 9/11 happened.

  • Tom T

    I am sorry I responded to you and your driver`s comment. I
    don`t normally do that with
    safety directors who think they
    have all the answers. As far
    as I am concerned, you have
    been part of the problem for drivers. Actually your nothing more than a point person to
    keep the companies insurance
    rates from going up and retain
    drivers by putting black marks
    on their records when they are
    not at fault in an accident. Also
    get your records straight, study the history of the industry that I have been a part of since 67. It has always
    been known, even before the CDL, that auto`s unsafe driving caused 75% of the
    accidents that happen. It
    took for your information,
    government regulations or
    rather de-regulation that gave
    us cheap rates and low pay
    which is what pushed drivers
    that built this industry to run
    the way they did to make up
    for the cheap rates and low
    pay. They were, before you
    got into the industry, called
    “Knights of the Road” with
    a reputation for safety and stopping to help people
    whenever there was an accident or breakdown. And
    now the same government
    that ruined the industry wants
    to re-regulate everything but
    the rates which will in the long
    run hurt drivers even more and
    idiots like you want to help them do it. This isn`t about safety, and you know it, it is about giving the big companies like you work for a
    level playing field so they get
    even cheaper rates and more
    market share. You ought to
    be ashamed of yourself safety
    director, indeed.

  • TomT

    Before you were in the business
    we were regulated with decent
    rates and everyone made a decent living. Then they deregulated it and came cheap rates and hard times. And now
    they want to re-regulate the damage they done, everything
    but the rates and so the big
    companies win again, safety
    director and idiots like you
    who don`t know any better
    want to help them do it. Don`t
    you realize, your hurting drivers?

  • TOM T

    How many more rights are you
    willing to throw away or don`t
    you know what the word PERSONAL RIGHTS stands for.
    Maybe you ought to go back and
    read it again and then look up
    the meaning of rights, safety
    director.

  • TomT

    Yes, that`s the ticket, more regulations. Maybe they can
    regulate safety directors like
    you and what they can put on
    a driver`s D.A.C record.

  • TOM T

    They are all relevant. If you don’t
    understand that, maybe you ought to find another median for
    ridiculous pro-regulation views
    or at least get an education about trucking and what effects
    drivers livelihoods.

  • Tom T

    Since you all are for more regulations that do absolutely nothing to increase the driver`s take home, I suggest they regulate safety directors like you in that they must attend a state
    approved accident-reconstruction school for a 4 week course at their own expense and be re-certified every 3years. Also we could do with, in the interest of safety, a law that makes safety directors who were part of the hiring procedure, responsible and liable when a driver found to deemed unqualified after an
    accident which involves personal injury. I have a host of regulations that I think should apply to management
    of trucking companies that will lift some of the burden of being blamed for everything that goes wrong whether it
    is their fault or not.

  • Tom T

    According to statistics from Transport Topics, small fleets of ten or less trucks generally go
    out of business in the first ten to fifteen years.
    Your grosses mean nothing to us, it is the balance sheet and bottom line that counts,
    you can only rob peter to pay paul for so long. Come back in another 5 years and tell us.

  • Cary Davis

    Tom tell me one thing. What happens when the rates for freight go up? Do you even know? Rates are not your problem.

  • Cary Davis

    You are just angry. You are not on topic of this thread and are lashing out at me when you know nothing about me. I will let you be and allow you to continue your temper tantrum. I will not be drawn into your circle of hate. Good day sir!

  • Cary Davis

    So condemn everyone when only one person was at fault. Sounds like the Spanish Inquisition.

  • Cary Davis

    Thank you sir. No i do not agree with all the hours of service currently in place and recently changed. I too feel that a persons ability to decide when they need rest is being trampled on and it is in fact preventing them from doing their jobs.

    My only concern is this, like it or not it is regulation (for now) and we have to step lightly now that CSA scores are being used publicly to determine if a carrier can haul freight or not.

    Also driver score cards, like it or not, are here to stay and companies (including myself) must look at these when hiring to determine if a potential driver is prone to ruin our CSA scores through his track record of the past.

    As far as your example of the ELD driver sideswiping a truck, that, in my opinion, was poor time management. Personally I would have pulled up short and parked earlier.

  • Tom

    Talk about naïve, comparing a bus or an airplane full of people
    that have no control whatsoever of their safety to truck that haul whatever down the highway where everyday safety is the responsibility of everybody on that highway is the moronic justification for government intrusion I have ever heard and just what I would expect from a safety director. If you want to really help drivers and O/O`s, prove it by supporting regulation of rates for everybody small and large companies competition
    will come in who can give the
    best service. Now that`s fair.

  • Cary Davis

    Class definitions[edit]

    Since April 1, 1992, when this Act became law, all drivers have been required to have a CDL in order to drive a Commercial Motor Vehicle. The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) has developed testing standards for licensing drivers. U.S. states are able to issue CDLs only after a written and practical test have been given by the State or approved testing facility.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_driver's_license

    I remember when this went into effect NATIONALLY. It was sold to me as a way to enforce having one license.

    That was a tragic affair in California. I had not hear of this before. What a shame!

  • Cary Davis

    Wonderful a world without rules! Sounds like Anarchy to me! Tom I would be interested in seeing your PSP report. Any chance of that?

  • Cary Davis

    Why are you scared to follow hours of service rules? Why not make the job easier for all involved? You, your safety personnel at the office, your company? I don’t understand your outrage , at me personally, for a government mandate. I didn’t make the rule Tom. I just try to follow them. Why lash out at me? Am I being tied to the whipping post because the government made a regulation?

  • Tom T

    Let`s face it, the facts of the matter are you disagree with the facts. If the shoe fits? If we follow
    your premise we should all just lie down accept it. That is certainly worthy of respect. Its
    not that you disagree, it`s that
    you promote the very regulation
    that hurts drivers even worse than they are and tell us because
    you quit the road when the going gets tough and go into the office for management we should all
    just lay down and accept it.
    Good day to you also Madam.

  • Cary Davis

    Tom, again, you know nothing about me and are making assumptions. Was I also part of the problem when I was a driver for 27 years? Or only now that I choose to share my experience and train new drivers coming to my company with a little more practical experience than most “Truck Driving Schools” put out now?

    You are on a rant about everything EXCEPT the topic of this discussion which was:

    Drivers stand to benefit from ELDs?

    Have you ever written your Congressman, the Director of the FMCSA, or joined your local Trucking Association to affect meaningful change in the law? Or do you just sit at your chair and rage about all the problems of the world and do nothing to change it?
    Tell me specifically What have you done?

    I am trying to do my part, and don’t just sit around and cry like some heart broken teenager who is missing how “it used to be”. Times change. That you can count on! Adapt or die in your tracks. Those are your choices.

  • Cary Davis

    Tom. Get a grip. Look at your last response. Seriously? Your rate determines if you run a logbook illegally? Now that’s just plain silly!

  • Cary Davis

    I read all of the Wikipedia as well, however, I didn’t cherry pick the “writ of assistance” clause. Last time I checked, log books and HOS had nothing to do with customs.

  • Tom T

    I can certainly say exactly the same thing about you. You
    know nothing about me and
    in answer to your question I have been actively fighting for truckers rights for 15 years before you
    ever got into trucking. If we follow your way of thinking we
    should just lie down and adopt
    to use your words and from
    the way your promoting ELDs
    it dose sound to me your doing much fighting for trucker`s rights. If we follow your train of thought a little further, because as you say “100%
    of truckers don`t keep legal
    logs or run the speed limits
    all the time” then they should all be punished by presumption of guilt before any violations have occurred.
    Under that premise then, anyone who looks like they might violate the law should be wearing an ankle bracelet because a certain percentage of people brake laws. Ridicules. As to your snotty remarks about sitting at home and ranting, I have been involved in O/O shutdowns,
    Teamster strikes and met with and spoke to more politicians
    than I care to name in my 45 years. If you truly want to help
    and care for safety and drivers as you claim, you will promote
    regulated rates across the board for everybody, large and
    small carriers so we can all
    make a good living which is the way it was before flakey people like you came into the industry and before de-regulation.

  • Tom T

    That is exactly what your saying by promoting ELDs for everybody. Because a certain
    percentage of drivers have log violations or break the speed limits you think everybody should
    be tracked. No presumption of
    innocence here. To follow that line, because certain people
    break laws you would have everybody wear a tracking bracelet. That`s not evolving, that`s a return to slavery. technology is supposed to work
    for us not against us.

  • Tom T

    Yes I know exactly. As I stated before here, they WERE UP before you even started in the business and they were regulated. We all made a good living and believe it or not inflation was in check. Since de-regulation it has been a race to the bottom Madam, and your helping it get there.

  • Tom T

    Now if you don`t know that what you have to pay to accommodate every new regulation that comes out or that when you get paid by the mile and you can`t log time in sleeper berth at stop and are restricted to a 14 hour day which
    not only cuts your mileage pay but if your paid by the hour the guy who owns the truck is going to have to pay you for siting for 3 hours in traffic jam and the load doesn’t get delivered that day then you must be lying about having 27 yrs. driving or your completely clueless. That is not a rant Madam that is an education for those who don`t know and something you might want to think about or maybe not since you got off the road when the
    ELDs came out and now have a guaranteed weekly income.

  • Tom T

    Exactly. That`s what I`ve been trying to say all along. If you follow Madam Carey`s promotion of ELDs because SOME drivers may not log legally or speed, why are we not allowed to the presumption of innocence. To follow her reasoning, because a certain percentage of people break laws then we should ankle bracelets on everybody? To compare truck drivers to airline pilots or bus and rail
    is ludicrous since they are hauling people whose safety is in their hands while we on the other hand are hauling food or whatever along with other drivers on a public highway, and aren’t we all, autos and trucks responsible for our safety?

  • Tom T

    Your the one who came on here giving everybody a hard time with your support for more government regulations. You want to argue with every point made here that happens to stick up for the rights of truck drivers.
    You not only lay down and accept everything the government throws at you, you want everybody else to do the same thing and actually try to
    justify their existence. I have no outrage towards you personally, I just want to set the record straight and help other drivers see right through the safety smoke screen that they use when they want to control and intrude every corner of your life and income or profit, as the case may be.

  • Tom T

    Don`t you worry about my record . I have a whole room full of safety awards and 45 years of safe driving with one non-preventable accident and two parking tickets, because I did not let scum bag companies push me to violate the laws that are in place, though they tried. I believe in the rules we already have and learned to live with them. What your proposing with ELDs benefits no one except the big companies and it is unjust and unconstitutional to penalize drivers and remove the presumption of innocence. In other words, we are all guilty by association with the few
    who log illegally. To answer
    your question, your not entitled to see anything of mine unless I authorize it and the fact that you actually believe I should show it to you is indicative of your belief that drivers have no right to privacy.

  • Tom T

    To compare truck driving to airplanes and trains is the most ridicules argument you`ve come up with. Planes buses and trains carry people whose safety is completely in their hands and
    to compare that to truck drivers hauling
    food and whatever on highways where everybody out there is responsible for safety and where statistics have shown that 75% of truck accidents are caused by autos is not justification for tracking, regulating and over regulating drivers of trucks and making life on the road even more difficult. What`s mind numbing Madam safety director is to think you can regulate a perfect world where there are no accidents and nothing bad ever happens to anyone. Beam me up Scotty.

  • mongoose

    You right paycheck collector office chair operator where your does your check come from ? The back of men and women who strap 80000 pounds to there ass and dodge four wheelers ?? People have died for our freedom to comply is to lay down and die.(;0)

  • rich

    eld’s are management tools for the goliaths of trucking . Us small guys don’t need them . And if big trucking gets it pushed thru, truck driving jobs will be steering wheel holders , just like fast food jobs .And that’s just what they want . How long does someone have to drive before he can become a trainer ? ? Not long

  • Cary Davis

    What about bus drivers then? They log. They are bound by FMCSA. Do I really need to spell this out for you Tom? Or are you just one of those people that are going to be right even when they are wrong? I let all the studies and statistics speak for themselves. Right now all you have is your own opinion. That and a $1 won’t buy you a cup of coffee!

  • Cary Davis

    Actually , No I do not think it is indicative. Personally were I insulting everyone in a blog I would WANT to show that I have proof for the case I am painting. But once again I’ll say. All you have is anger, hate, and an opinion. Nothing to back up your “facts”. Statistics don’t lie Tom. I have a lot of those in countless studies and roadside crash reports that prove my case. Do you have anything concrete to share for your side of the story or is it the same old tired “I’ve been driving 45 years, hate, slander hate?”

  • Cary Davis

    Actually no I didn’t Tom. I came here in support of a device that will prevent people from breaking the law as much as they can now. I also said I stand FOR personal rights. But when you are working in a regulated business, law is law. What part of that are you not understanding?

  • Cary Davis

    I wonder it is Tom, that since you seem to have all the answers, but managed to just keep holding a steering wheel for 45 years without trying to change the things you didn’t like? Can you post some of the work you have done, if you dd attempt?

  • Cary Davis

    Tom apparently I AM THE ONLY ONE you are attacking. Must be because you’ve been angered by some safety professional somewhere. But guess what? Apparently I am not the only one thinking this way in this blog. here check out what Brahuro said above you here. Apparently he gets it! Notice the part about drunk drivers? This is how you are coming across.

    brahuro David the Driver • 5 days ago

    Finally someone with commons sense I have run paper and elogs and back on paper again for a small company (all o/o) we have guys that have so many hos violations that the fmcsa will make the company use elogs which I now use bigroad elog on my cell. The guys bitching r no different then drunk drivers say I didn’t do nothing wrong. U can’t run legal and make money u r in the wrong business. And u guys on here saying invasion of privacy u can’t b more wrong r privacy went out the door since 9/11 happened.

  • Cary Davis

    So, (excuse me if I snicker here) you are saying that trucking deregulation is the cause of inflation on this planet? Also I remember trucking deregulation. My grandfather was a trucker as well in the 70′s and I spent time with him always in the summer. NEWS flash. He wasn’t rich. He made a living, but still struggled the same as we do today. I would stop making assumptions about everyone you don’t know, and stop generalizing trucking prior to deregulation as some type of fairy tale land where everyone rode a white steed and lived off of the nectar of tulips, and lived in castles. That’s a straight up fabrication on your part!

  • Cary Davis

    Can you post some of the things you’ve accomplished during your fight? Or some article somewhere we can refer to? Or is that an NSA secret like your driving record?

  • Cary Davis

    If you can’t swim you will sink. That’s the way of business. I know plenty of O/O who make over $350k a year. If you aren’t, or weren’t, then maybe you don’t know as much as you think you do! I don’t know what you consider to be a good wage, but in my book that is pretty awesome money there. Guess What? They used ELD’s!

  • Cary Davis

    An overwhelming percentage. Tom, are you or are you not going to provide anything other than a rant as fact to support your case? If not I am about done here. I have drivers making well over $300k a year and the entire 100% O/O fleet uses ELD’s. I don’t understand your beef.
    It’s ok if some of them break the rules and driver crazy, kill people, ruin the environment with HM spills, kill someone in YOUR family because they failed to follow loggin rules, JUST

  • Cary Davis

    The fact of the matter is you havn’t provided any facts. You have been ranting for two weeks with your opinion, while i have tons of studies and data on my side. End of story until you can provide something concrete in my opinion.

  • Cary Davis

    I also drover for 20+ years, so your attack is meaningless.

  • Cary Davis

    Tom, so now you are going to resort to childish 8th grade name calling on a safety forum? This sin’t Facebook sir, and I take offense to you degrading the value of this board in that manner! This will be the last post with someone obviously to uncouth to debate a topic like an adult. Good day to you!

    P.S. They will ALL still have an ELD in their trucks at the end of the day, and all your pissing and moaning here won’t change a thing. Stick that in your smipe and poke it!

  • Cary Davis

    FYI, my company has made record profits for the last 5 years. YoY improvement in what you call a sad bleak industry. How does that happen sir?

    Actually nevermind. Tired of talking to you. I prefer to keep on topic with someone else who can stay on topic instead of whining about the “good old days” 50 years ago!

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  • Cary Davis

    Can you please copy any portions of the Bill of rights you feel specifically is being violated by an ELD? What’s the difference between doing the exact same thing manually (log book) and doing it electronically (ELD) You make no sense! Either one of these options are subject to inspection, can create violations and fines for you, have to be submitted for FMCSA audits, and can cause you to be shut down if egregious errors are found….
    I’m sure you are going to find something to rant about that is but your own opinion without providing one link, document, or copy paste to prove your point, but I find it hard to get behind you on what you are saying or trying to get people to agree with you on without that!
    Convince me with “proof” (NOT opinion) of your point that (ALL) truck drivers govern themselves properly, never lie on log books, and never have accidents because they follow all regulations to the T.

  • Cary Davis

    Can you please copy any portions of the Bill of rights you feel specifically is being violated by an ELD? What’s the difference between doing the exact same thing manually (log book) and doing it electronically (ELD) You make no sense! Either one of these options are subject to inspection, can create violations and fines for you, have to be submitted for FMCSA audits, and can cause you to be shut down if egregious errors are found….
    I’m sure you are going to find something to rant about that is but your own opinion without providing one link, document, or copy paste to prove your point, but I find it hard to get behind you on what you are saying or trying to get people to agree with you on without that!
    Convince me with “proof” (NOT opinion) of your point that (ALL) truck drivers govern themselves properly, never lie on log books, and never have accidents because they follow all regulations to the T.

  • Cary Davis

    Can you please copy any portions of the Bill of rights you feel specifically is being violated by an ELD? What’s the difference between doing the exact same thing manually (log book) and doing it electronically (ELD) You make no sense! Either one of these options are subject to inspection, can create violations and fines for you, have to be submitted for FMCSA audits, and can cause you to be shut down if egregious errors are found….
    I’m sure you are going to find something to rant about that is but your own opinion without providing one link, document, or copy paste to prove your point, but I find it hard to get behind you on what you are saying or trying to get people to agree with you on without that!
    Convince me with “proof” (NOT opinion) of your point that (ALL) truck drivers govern themselves properly, never lie on log books, and never have accidents because they follow all regulations to the T.

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