Electronic log mandate rule expected this month, along with driver database rule

| January 10, 2014

eobr electronic logA proposed rule mandating the use of electronic logging devices is expected to be published in the Federal Register Jan. 29, according to a monthly Department of Transportation report, which says the rule is projected to clear the White House’s Office of Management and Budget Jan. 17.

The report also says the rule will have a 60-day comment period that will last until April 1.

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Could EOBRs solve the detention dilemma?

EOBRs can give owner-operators a powerful tool when dealing with customers and the shipping/receiving facilities relative to detention time. Given that stopped time and location is easily retrievable with the systems, operators now have ready-made documentation to prove detention time to the shipper, beyond just drivers' word.

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration’s drug and alcohol clearinghouse rule is also set to clear the OMB Jan. 17, and the DOT report projects that the rule will be published in the Federal Register Jan. 31.

The rule will establish a database of drivers who have failed or refused drug or alcohol tests, and carriers will be required to submit failed or refused tests to the database. Carriers also will be required to query the database when hiring drivers.

The electronic logging device (formerly known as electronic onboard recorders) rule will not only mandate the use of e-logs but will set device standards and address driver harassment relative to e-log use.

In its monthly update in December, FMCSA projected the rule would be published Dec. 23.

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Looking for fleet/owner-operator common ground

If drivers and fleet folks truly presented a united front on hours to Congress and regulators, would anything change for the better in terms of flexibility?

Also in the report was an update on the agency’s Safety Fitness Determination rule, which is now projected to be published Aug. 4, with a projected OMB clearance of July 24.

The rule would change the data set and methodology FMCSA uses to produce an overall safety score for a carrier. Now, it uses only data from compliance reviews, whereas the rule would allow the agency to use data from its BASIC scores in the Compliance, Safety, Accountability system; roadside inspections; and crash data.

A rule complementing the e-log mandate — designed to prevent the coercion of drivers to drive in violation of safety rules by carriers, shippers, receivers or other intermediaries — is projected to clear the OMB April 14 and be published in the Federal Register on April 23.

  • localnet

    Ontario Canada has already done it…

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    Each individual is different, so depending on experience, and driving record/history, but lets just make this a general inquiry on just being away from the house 1-2 weeks and hours per day. Go average 12-14 hrs., a day times 7=84-98 hrs., a week. Break it down to an average of .32 cents a mile and that’s at 2500 miles, so the driver makes $800.00 a week before taxes, then say the average pay per hr is 12.00 an hr,that = to 480.00 for 40 hrs., and overtime pay is 918.00=1398.00 a week at 91 hrs., which meets half way between 84-98 hrs. THAT’S WHAT A DRIVER SHOULD MAKE AT MINIMAL.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    YOUR NOT A DRIVER!!!!!!

  • localnet

    I’ve seen a few jobs paying those numbers, they are out there. I just left one that paid double that. No one forces anyone to work for .32 a mile, a rate I was making 23 years ago… I honestly don’t know what your complaint is? If a guy is willing to work for ten cents on the dollar, sure doesn’t say much for that driver. I guess that is all these guys are worth.

  • localnet

    Really? With your attitude, you aren’t going to be a driver for much longer… I know I could not justify hiring you, as that chip on your shoulder is bigger than your fat head.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT KEEP THE REST OF US DOWN W/ THAT i DON”T CARE ATTITUDE. DRIVERS WORK FOR THAT AMOUNT BECAUSE SOME DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE. THEY HAVE BILLS TO PAY, FAMILIES TO TAKE CARE OF AND NO ONE OUT THERE FIGHTING FOR THEM.

  • localnet

    I see you found the caps button… And your point is what? Fighting for them? Well who the hell are they? No one forces them to take these jobs. You can’t fix stupid, ignorance on the other hand… And how do you propose enlightening these unwashed masses of truck drivers to your line of thinking?

  • craigamunson

    you are ALL missing the point. All logbooks came from the logging of aircraft engines during WW 2 to determine the mean time between failure. The logging of a truckers time to ensure proper sleep is DUMB. Tell that to the parents of the 7 kids killed in Florida. He had a legal logbook even though he was dead tired. The FAA does not do this. They have rule one A pilot may deviate from ANY rule in this section FAR part 91 for the safety of passengers and crew. I know as I have been a pilot and flight instructor a lot longer than a trucker. SEE any rule in the FMSCA that says a driver can pull over and rest at any time without being hurt by the 14 hr rule? The FMSCA can spring a whole host of HOS rules overnight that NOBODY likes, but they need a big fat study to give BACK the flexibity in rest periods. We had it before less you forget. also if trucking is so great show one other industry that goes thru 100+% of its primary income producing workforce per year. police? nurses? teachers? sanitation workers? Even McDonald’s does not go thru 100+% of its employees per year…

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    Its not about fighting for the individual, it’s about fighting for the masses. And who are they? THEY ARE PEOPLE. Just like the airlines stick together to get what they are worth, but in this industry, people like you have NO SENSE OF HONOR OR LOYALTY. ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS YOURSELF.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    YOU HURT MY FEELINGS. I’M NOT A DRIVER ANYMORE, BUT AN OPERATIONS MANAGER THAT PAYS HIS DRIVERS 18.00 AN HOUR IN THE VAC TRUCK AND 20.00 AN HOUR IN THE WINCH TRUCK. AND AT LEAST THIS CHIP ON MY SHOULDER IS GETTING BETTER PAY THAN YOU EVER WILL. CRYBABY

  • localnet

    You sound like a typical leftist union thug. You are full of anger and apparently like to use intimidation, a real tough guy, eh?

    You don’t impress me, and are part of the problem. You offer no solutions, just revolutionary tripe. Piss off.

  • localnet

    $20 an hour for a winch truck, and $18 for a vac! Why such low wages? Hell, a fly by night water hauling company pays better than that! And your proud of stealing food off of these driver’s table? You are the problem! Piss off punk.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    That’s right, start insulting since that’s all your feeble mind can think of. I’d rather talk politics w/ someone who could carry on an intelligent conversation. So to sum it up that you will understand is YOU DUMMY, ME NOT.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    Don’t cry poor baby. Go ask your momma to wipe your ass, and find a real way to express yourself.

  • localnet

    That’s it? You pay your guys bottom of the scale wages and have the balls to preach your BS and condemnations here? You are no better than a section 8 slumlord or a carrier like Swift. Your a real POS.

  • localnet

    You are an ideologue, you do not know the meaning of decency, much less the ability to carry a conversation. You are a real piece of work, that is for sure. One of these days you may just grow up, but I doubt it.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    For your info, I pay the drivers a dollar more than the going rate in the oilfield. Before you hurt yourself, know more about the topic your trying to talk about before shooting off your uneducated mouth.

  • localnet

    Been in North Dakota and Eastern Montana since 2010, your wages are way off for a real oilfield carrier. Even the fly by night outfits will start a vac truck at $25 an hour with housing. Your BS is wearing thin. Be a real man, pay your guys what they are worth. Or maybe they aren’t worth that much?

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    Okay, no need to get upset. You have your opinion,even though it’s a selfish one, but luckily in this country we have the right to voice our opinion. Remember this is not about I, but an industry of all different nationalities that are grossly under paid, and under appreciated, and once you realize that you might be able to considers others than just yourself.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    And by the way the phrase That’s it needs an exclamation point, not question mark.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    That’s the difference fella, i’m in Texas. So again get your facts right.

  • localnet

    I’m not upset, not in the least… I enjoy playing your game, hopefully I’m saving some poor schlep from having to deal with you for a few short moments. And good luck down there in Texas, because I’ve known more than a few punks like you in my past 50 years, you’ll be driving a truck in short order.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    Two years already in this roll, so talk all the jealous crap you want. To you this is a game, but to others it’s a way to take care of their families, and I am finished w/ your uneducated way of thinking. Go bother someone else who might believe your line of BULLSHIT.

  • Notassmartaswillaim

    William I see your still a know it all, Some day I will be as smart as you, Idiot!

  • bigred

    Hey Fat Cat, I think you probably just fell off the TATER WAGON…All this will do is put more Fed. money into the big Trucking companies hands,,, more FREE (yes free) trucks from the gov and more 3 week professional drivers on the road. You can forget making any more money and count on sitting at least 3 days a week in a parking lot….Get a clue will you, the last hours of service change was simply to put 16,500 more trucks on the road,,,,Do you not read everything???…My biggest question is,,How will more trucks make any roads safer????

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    The last change of hours service did not put that many more trucks on the road, and how can you say this puts more FREE MONEY in the Feds pocket??? All drivers have an opportunity to buy a truck under certain restrictions(which are safety) and earn more. Tell me how does letting drivers drive over hours and drive w/o proper amount of sleep SAFE??? My family drives on these roads and so do yours. OUTLAW DRIVERS ARE NOT SAFE

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    I’ll say it again, STAND UP FOR A CAUSE. THIS IS NOT A DREAM.The only reason we can’t get any further than where we are now is because of NEGATIVE THINKERS LIKE YOURSELF AND LOCALNET.Why are the 2 of you letting them control you like puppets?(government). Do you not want more for the sweat and hard work we do? And I might be a DREAMER OR FALLEN OFF THE TATER WAGON, BUT AT LEAST I DON’T SETTLE FOR SCRAPS.

  • Notassmartaswilliam

    Agree! Big Time!

  • William McKelvie

    Well maybe when you are mature enough to use your real name and not hide like a schoolgirl? Maybe, you let me know. Thanks.

  • Stormy

    There you go. The government is getting really good at telling us how we need to spend our money,

    They can track us any time day or night now. What we don’t leave in a paper trail, we leave in an electronic trail with GPS units and cell phones.

    They just want us to have EOBRs because they think it will make their life easier.

    I just wish I had as much time and money on my hands as they do.

  • Stormy

    Whoa,,,,,whoa..,, whoa….. there is no need for you to talk like a sexist pig. You are the one who is spewing all the foul language. For you to go on an attack, using “I am Man, hear me roar” hardly qualifies as a real conversation or a legitimate argument,

    I have seen very little in the rules and regs being passed that have anything to do with safety. If you look at the stats you would see the crash rate was on a decline, then they started messing with the HOS and the crash rates have started increasing.

  • Joe

    Cell phone

  • cam

    Yes we will all loose money that’s why I said its going to go down hill before up. You have to look at it down the road. If truckers had a brain and realized that its time we are giving trucking companies and that is what we are to be paid for. Now I’ve put in more hours and only getting 1500 miles a week, then weeks that iI have drove 2700. The lower mile weeks are the ones where you spend all your time waiting. Who gives a crap what we get paid by the mile etc. I care what i get paid for my time. Thats why i had enough sense to get a job that pays by the hour now. Unfortunately I had do the otr bs for 2 yrs to get to that point. But you all cheat and lie on your logs and be a part of the problem not the solution. Who cares if companies dont get their product if they delay us at the docks. Its their faults and just maybe they will change their way. Yes its not going to happen overnight. I know that. I love driving a truck, but I hate the ignorance of some fellow truck drivers.

  • Shelley Scarbrough Hughes

    I’ve read many of your comments. Some I agree with, some I understand your point of view, some are just flat out rude, but the bottom line to the governments reasoning for EOBR the way I understand it is safety. That is where I disagree the most at. I don’t see how this is going to make the roads any safer. By making drivers shut down , by making them sleep for 10 hours before they can start again doesn’t necessarily make for safe highways. Drivers like my husband who has NEVER been able to sleep more then 5-6 hours a night, even at home, just creates anger and frustration. You eat when you are hungry, you sleep when you are tired, and yes I understand there has to be regulation, but let’s add some common sense to the factor also!

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    Your the one starting w/ the name calling, and I don’t know where you are getting your data from, but do a little more digging and the companies who has installed the device had a decline in accidents and roadside inspections. — Why are so many of you scared to do things right? Again i’m reading your statement, and your just a non steering holding BITCH. ROAR,ROAR,ROAR!!!!!

  • Stormy

    I didn’t start anything. Do your homework and learn to read.

    I merely pointed out that you are the one who has the problem communicating without using foul language (proven yet one more time). Your limited vocabulary only illustrates your limited intelligence.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    Then you need to check yourself. You are a rude,grumpy old woman,who does not know how to carry on a decent conversation. From the beginning you started w/ an insult and kept going. So all I have to say to a dried up, old BITCH which all she can do is insult, so KISS MY ASS. (AND GO TO COLLEDGE AND GET A DEGREE, LIKE ME)

  • WhiteLightnin1973

    I have been driving t/t since 1967 and this will be the being to the en for o/o’s gov. wants big controllable business not mom & pops (independents) in order to finish make us working poor(third world). God forgive our laziness

  • cam

    You just keep giving them your time and lying on your logs. You better be as clever as you think you are and learn how to cheat on the elogs. More drivers are not going to be the solution to this problem, because they cant get drivers now. And i’m sure someone will make the stupid comment about mexican truckers. I really dont understand why people want to work more then the hours they do now by cheating on logs. Screw the companies if they dont get stuff on time. The shippers and receivers are 80% of the problem drivers falsify logs from to much unnecessary waiting. I get paid the same weather i’m driving or waiting at a dock or even broke-down. I get paid for time and you should want that too.

  • Cam

    You said the number 1 problem about truckers without really saying it. As a group not all but a good portion of truckers graduated at the bottom half of their class not the top half. Allot being in the bottom 1/3. Knowledge is defiantly power and allot of these truckers dont have the smarts to gain knowledge. Working smarter then harder pays off more times then not. The low education level of truckers as a whole is what is hurting truckers the most.

  • cam

    Problem is half these drivers are not smart enough to use a computer and that is a reason why they are afraid of elogs.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    Not exactly what i’m saying at all, but most drivers only have a high school diploma or GED, and w/ that in mind the public’s view of drivers is very low, and also the governments view.If drivers would band together and show loyalty, and unity, we could accomplish alot more.This economy took a hit when the airlines went on strike, and also in California when the shipping docks went on strike. Can you imagine if transportation went on strike?

  • William McKelvie

    I get paid for my time. I don’t run cheap freight. It gets there when I get there, if I get jammed up I make calls, believe it or not they understand. Making calls to reschedule is not a big of a deal as people make it out to be, most folks I deal with understand. Too bad you think that all of us run like you think. But that is expected.

  • David S. McQueen

    Everyone seems to complain about the E-Logs/HOS situation, but the FMCSA hasn’t even published an NPRM yet (and the mandate to do so EXPIRES in August!). Yes, that government which governs least governs best, but that concept was erased in 1865. The federal government has become a de facto dictatorship and it will do ANYTHING the executive branch wants it to do (or not to do). There is no “rule of law” (other than what the whim of the chief executive dictates).

  • Stormy

    I didn’t do the original post I commented on your superior attitude towards females I see the error of my ways, I went to college and got my degree. Like you, I needed to get a colledge degree then I could show my intelligence with my ability to use foul language and insults to get my point across. Enough said, we are obviously not in agreement so I see no reason to continue to read your foul-mouthed comments.

  • Tired of the FAT CATS

    BITE ME!!!!!!!!!

  • MercenaryMan

    KEEP TRUCKIN, and the BIG ROAD Apps are cheap ways to get your EOBR Recorders…both work very well and satisfy state requirements, Ive tested both and found them to be very good programs , and you can e mail or Fax straight from the App to Dispatch, and they have INSPECTION Modes…

  • Donny Joe

    Just watch out for people trying to steal your “certified clean idle sticker”. They tried to get mine! And look how the argument turned!! Driver against driver! And we wonder why we can’t get anywhere!

  • Jimmy the Greek

    I only got 796,000 miles on this tractor when i got it it had 396,000 . oil is changed every 10,000 miles by a real shop not a speedco kind of place they go over it from front to back ,the trailer to . no recaps , however the paint looks like crap

  • Jimmy the Greek

    The way the new trucks are braking down ,and as long as it takes to get one fixed at the dealerships he would end up in the poorhouse !