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‘Haul it for free?’: Readers sound off on recent hours study

| January 23, 2014

DSC_0243Following news of the University of Tennessee’s Global Supply Chain Institute and its study of the economic impacts of the hours of service, in which study authors suggest that companies raising rates and passing them down the chain to consumers is ultimately not the best goal to pursue, reader Martin Anderson, commenting on Overdrive‘s Facebook page, cracked wise: “Between the shippers and receivers and the government they pretty much want you to drive the truck for free.” 

Owner-operator Jeff Clark, no stranger to the blog here, pointed to the source of the study to explain its emphasis on broad needs to improve efficiency to offset added costs due to the hours rule. The UT institute’s board, he noted, is made up mostly “of shippers and industry ‘experts’” with little trucking-company representation. Follow the prior link to see a full list of advisory board members.

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Study authors, in the report, diagnosed the companies (47 percent of all surveyed) who noted that increased consumer costs were coming given new regulations as being “in denial about what’s going to happen.” They went on to suggest that any increases in rates that were passed along wouldn’t get businesses all the way to offsetting new costs, thus improving efficiency is the right strategy. 

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“Gee,” Clark added, “I am shocked that they would recommend that we not raise ‘their’ costs. Follow the money. Supply and demand determine rates, not wishful thinking.”

Rates have “remained stagnant for so long,” wrote John Sendzimer. ”Or in some cases [rates] actually go down [while] the cost of operating goes up. So HOS be damned, things are tough all over.”

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A majority of owner-operators, however, recently noted they expected to fare better in 2014 than 2013 — I bet those rate increases we’ve heard so much about lately are part of what they’re banking on. What do you think? 

More voices on the study:
John Lenhardt: The public wanted [new hours rules], the public should pay for it.

James Johnson: It’s way past time for a big rate hike. We all need a raise. 

John Beavers: Drivers are not getting extra pay — matter of fact it is costing us 30 minutes of work and in [many] cases costing us sleeping in our own beds at home. Whoever wrote [the hours of service rule] obviously has never driven a truck and doesn’t know the importance of getting home to truckers. 

Kris Boswell: Fair enough, but this study doesn’t address the other issues: 1) A 400 percent increase in fuel the last 15 years. 2) A 20 percent increase in drivers’ wages and workers comp the last 15 years. 3) A 150 percent increase on equipment the last 15 years. 4) A 200 percent increase on all maintenance costs the last 15 years. 5) A 150 percent increase in insurance rates the last 15 years. 6) A 120 percent increase in tax rates the last 15 years.

John Pillion: How about we switch to an hourly rate like construction. $100 per hour for a unit — truck, trailer and driver. Then who cares how long it takes.

  • jesse wood

    a few times in my 38 yrs of driving i got paid by the hr and i liked it, but 1 job i had didn,t pay any overtime because if you went out of state 1 time in 40 hrs they didn,t have to pay overtime and i didn,t have to keep a log book because back then we didn,t go over 100 miles from home base

  • Jim

    I doubt the customers really know how much of the money brokers skim off the top. If companies had their own dispatch office using load boards they could save quite a bit of money even after paying dispatchers salaries and paying drivers fair rats for the work. Trust me, we handle all our loads in house with independent drivers and trucking companies. We will allow NO load to be brokered. We have a waiting list of drivers and trucking companies ready to handle ALL our loads. Think about it

  • Saddlesore

    Actually the hourly rate is not a bad idea. A 1000 mile trip at 65 mph takes 15.4 hours in round numbers. Mulkiplied by $130 per hour makes that load pay $2079. Add 2 hours at each end for load/unload time and that makes it $2599. Refrigerated freight should run $60 per hour more. More investment in equipment,maintenance, and maintaining temp while taking required time off duty.

  • Illinois

    all Drivers get paid differant for the same load going to same place, and some will collect detention and some will not. There should be a law on the books controlling what the broker keeps. Brokers don’t want to pay fuel surcharge seperately instead including it in the rate, in many cases moving the freight with the owner operaters surcharge. mean while the Truck Drivers in the U.S.A. drive up and down these interstates downing one another on the Cb and doing everyone elses job from the white house on down, organizing everyones house except their own. I feel this ignorance is a main factor on why the brokers take advantage of us.

  • ilovdieselsmoke

    most shippers that hire direct don’t pay anymore once they find out how cheap most the idiots out here will work their truck for. the motor carriers should be held responsible for the money their thieving agents steal from owner-operators by misleading how much the loads pay but many carriers today are just as unscrupulous as the trash they hire to recruit their driver force. the government needs to add some teeth behind the federal “truth-n-leasing” laws which the industry knows very well is considered little more than a joke to the motor carriers. on the other hand there is a tremendous need for some type mandatory driver education in cost management of a class 8 vehicle before one is allowed to enter into any legal agreement as an owner-operator with a trucking company. ninety percent of the so called owner/op’s out here today are little more than green company drivers which the motor carriers have placed in a truck-lease agreement to blur the employee/employer relationship while evading taxes. these bottom feeder type carriers do nothing but create their own brand of so-called independent contractors which are actually company de-pendent contractors who work for the company store while moving cheap freight. sadly i’ve seen one truck go through as many as thirty new owners within four years using this current corrupt system that thrives on what seems an endless supply of suckers..

  • ilovdieselsmoke

    most shippers that hire direct don’t pay anymore once they find out how
    cheap most the idiots out here will work their truck for. the motor
    carriers should be held responsible for the money their thieving agents
    steal from owner-operators by misleading how much the loads pay but many
    carriers today are just as unscrupulous as the trash they hire to
    recruit their driver force. the government needs to add some teeth
    behind the federal “truth-n-leasing” laws which the industry knows very
    well is considered little more than a joke to the motor carriers. on
    the other hand there is a tremendous need for some type mandatory driver
    education in cost management of a class 8 vehicle before one is allowed
    to enter into any legal agreement as an owner-operator with a trucking
    company. ninety percent of the so called owner/op’s out here today are
    little more than green company drivers which the motor carriers have
    placed in a truck-lease agreement to blur the employee/employer
    relationship while evading taxes. these bottom feeder type carriers do
    nothing but create their own brand of so-called independent contractors
    which are actually company d-pendent contractors who work for the
    company store while moving cheap freight. sadly i’ve seen one truck go
    through as many as thirty new owners within four years using this
    current corrupt system that thrives on what seems an endless supply of
    suckers..

  • Dave Nichols

    Most shippers know exactly what it costs to run trucks. The age of computors has seen to that. If they could run their own trucks at a cost effctive rate they would. But instead they put it out to bid knowing they will save money.
    In addition it is often a case where truck operators do not know their own costs. It can take 3 to 5 years to understand this. In the meantime they work to cheaply and are taken advantage of while hurting other truckers.
    So in reality the shippers set the rates. Literally telling carriers what they will get paid and even fuel surcharges to the mill per mile.
    Unless you are doing specialized hauling or working in a field where trucks and drivers are in short supply, your gross per mile is limitied, efficiency is the only way to squeeze out a profit.
    Big carriers who run hundreds or thousands of trucks work on thin margins. Probably 3% or so.

  • bigred

    By law, brokers are not supposed to make anymore than 10 percent of what the load pays. Well, they brought this up a few years ago on a certain BIG broker and they walked because we were accepting the rates they offered. (THEY SAID)….I have managed to make a living (albeit it just a living) by waiting and watching load boards and grabbing a load that has been on the board for a few days when it has to finally go. I have some freight of my own but there are lean times for this and have to do some broker freight occasionally.

  • Rey Moreno

    I can’t wait for the day that a shutdown or strong arm movement creates some change for us. I know there are some really smart trucker out there whom obviously see through the propaganda. Don’t believe the nay sayers and do-gooders because they probably wouldn’t have the guts to make a difference anyways. So sit back and scrap by while everyone else gets their raises, or tell the world that its time YOU get your fair share, and if they don’t agree, then don’t complain when you can’t buy what you want from the sttore shelves because its not there. Do any of you here have the balls to do something, or you just gonna complain about it like everyone else.

  • mrbtrans

    1st. They should but all these know it all people into a truck and let them see how it really works out there!
    2nd. They should really see the books of the brokers to see how much the brokers are skimping of the top and then try to tell the trucker or trucking company what deal he is giving them!
    3rd. Just say no to cheap freight and stop making company’s and brokers money while we the truckers go broke!
    4 th. Stop letting the shippers and receivers hold up the trucks for hours on end while they are used for a mobile warehouse for free. !/12 hrs are plenty to get loaded and unloaded. 3-4-5-6 hours to get loaded and or unloaded is just ridiculous but when nobody charges them so what!
    5 th With all the half dollar hailers out there hauling cheap loads and most don’t ever get paid by the shipper or broker they have to raise the rates to cover there losses. With high dollar fuel and a real wage for a good driver then your fixed expenses you have to keep up with the bottom line to stay in business which means better rates.

  • hdw

    how about mileage rates be based on percentage of fuel cost…in 1988 fuel was..17% of your cost..so if we use this as a bases..we should be receiving about $ 5.60 permile..simple math

  • mrbtrans

    Well while I’m on my soap box preaching here
    I may as well bring up the fact that if the so called government by the people for the people would work on putting more people to work than putting them out of work with there ridiculous rules and regulations and letting big company’s take there jobs out of the country for cheap labor and then let them bring there junk goods back into this country we all would be much better off!

  • John Scott

    In the end why drive faster and wear truck and equipment out faster for cheap freight? Sure, I know plenty of companies who hire drivers who prefer they keep their foot to the floor. But you see a lot of those companies belly up in a few years, if that long. If you can’t affect the rates you have to work to affect what you have the power to do. Save money any way you can. This is what any company in any commerce would do.

  • Rich Clements

    John Pillion hits the target. Most industrial service providers charge from portal to portal. This means from their location to the job…and through to completion. In trucking this of course would include Gubberment mandated down time en route. Where I disagree is the $100 an hour rate he suggests. I feel the rate should be at 250 an hour as thats accepted for any commercial service co. that “INDUSTRY” deals with every day.
    WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT TRUCKERS LIVES ARE VALUED LESS THAN OTHERS LIVES? The UT report suggests just that in making such a cokimamy demand of truckers, some trucking co’s, drivers, and their loved ones.
    WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY IS THE ECONOMYS HEDGE AGAINST OVER REGULATION? Rediculass …..the shippers , consumers, INDUSTRY IN GENERAL ALL HAVE TO SHARE THE COST of the inordinate over regulation and micro managment of trucking by gubberment.
    The author of this comment has been trucking for 30 plus years and has also been in other Industrys.

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  • R Clements

    What “LAW” is it that says that a broker can only charge ten percent of a loads gross revenue?

  • Kendall Oakleaf

    Higher insurance rates, more regulations, more stress, higher costs to operate and the list goes on and on its not hard to figure it out all this combined should mean higher rates the government (aka the paper mafia) has ruined the trucking industry if independent truckers and owner operators don’t stand up its only going to get worse the government wants all the small guys out and only the big ones in because its a lot easier to regulate 100 companies rather than 25000. After the idiots who inforce the bs rules n regs and compile enough points on your cvsa score then the insurance companies are going to start charging higher rates based on high cvsa scores oh its coming wait and see you insurance go thru the roof then what your out of business. This country will not go on without trucks rolling down the road STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS and shut this M’fer down and see how all the monkey suit wearing idiots like it when their fat ass cant go to dinner with their family, cant buy gas, cant do anything without trucks then see how they start blaming truckers for their screw-ups. Wake up people the government raises fuel taxes in return you pay more for everything and they make even more on the higher priced goods we haul that companies sell to you TAX,TAX,TAX,TAX,TAX,TAX,TAX,

  • James Jarmon

    Your right about the 250, I wouldn’t run my truck for 100 dollars an hour, that’s less than we make now.

  • Lane Honey

    Detention is really a function of the service level at the pickup and delivery points. That’s what makes carriers crazy! What carriers really need before they take a job is shipper ratings that tell them the expected load and unload times, in real time. How can you accept a price on a load when you don’t know how much time you have to give up?

    Shipper service level data is the only thing that will help.

    We have only begun to see what smartphones can do. New mobile dispatch technology that can accurately capture arrival and release times to clock detention is a start. Then publishing that shipper service level data so that the carrier has it, will truly change the nature of negotiating with brokers and shippers.

    As long as carriers do not have wage protection (thanks regulation) they have to protect themselves.

    This talk of “rates” is hooey. There are no rates in trucking when the same lane goes for different rates or we swallow ridiculous headlines like “Demand Up But Rates Down.” It’s whatever the broker can skin you for. Only information changes that.

  • JJ

    I spent 35 years in trucking and retired in 2000. I continue to flollow the industry and it never changes. Same complaints. no togetherness. no support. I would never run a truck per mile for less than the price of a gallon of fuel. Iam sorry to see the little squessed out and the goverment take over. I trucked in some ofthe best years.

  • G.G. Martin III

    What we need to do is start a C.D.L. Drivers association for all C.D.L. Drivers and get all drivers meaning owner operators, drivers that drive for the big companies, ALL DRIVERS EVERY DRIVER THAT HAS A C.D.L. When WE all stand together we all BENNIFIT from it and that my friend is where its at. We are the leaders of the trucking Industry each one of us play a role in what happens we are Americans, We are Voters, We are a force to be reckoned with!!!! We just need to get our priorities in order and start with the most important items on our list. Get organized set up our Association get our board of directors voted on and start going forward. We can control this market if we want but we have to be organized and focused on what first. We all need to stick together and make a stand for a better Industry. We need to work and they need us to Truck. With out us where are they. Lets start a new in the industry Lets bond together and get focused on what direction we need to go get a plan and our Act together and start making a difference.
    We can do it if you want. G.G. Martin III 817-444-6516 Just Right Transportation Service Inc. I’m tired of the Bull-shit LETS DO SOMTHING !!!

  • William McKelvie

    Overdrive once again promoting a Team Run Smart member? Why am I not surprised. Make him do it the real way, truck payments, trailer payments, the whole nine yards. Maybe then I might consider his statements? Maybe. Trucking is NEVER free, and getting a truck from a manufacturer as a TEST truck, and telling the rest of us how it is? Brass balls worse than Obama.

  • Robin

    Jim, what’s the name of your company?

  • ScottO

    We can not argue with the fact that a parked truck is safer than a moving truck. The problem is no freight gets moved with a parked truck.

  • mousekiller

    I wouldn’t consider putting my truck ,trailer and me to work for $100 an hour. That is about 1/3 what me and my equipment is worth. $100 an hour wouldn’t pay for fuel and oil changes let alone, pmts, house up keep, insurance and maintenance. $100 an hour for all thre means one or more is working for free. Even if all the equipment is paid for is no reason to work cheap. 7 or so years ago my truck made me $1000 a day minimum and fuel was $1.25 a gallon. I was able to take time off with out hurting the bank account,. put money in the bank. Not that way today. Now instead of Say no to cheap freight. it is now Say no to cheap labor.

  • paul

    I wrote a book on that very topic in 2009 called Industry of Thieves… I spent thousands out of pocket to publish this book to get the word out about what you just said. According to my resarch, which I cited all sources in my book, brokers take between 25 to 60 percent off every load.

  • Paul

    I have participated in past shutdowns, and Instead of a shut down and loose money or customers, I suggest Carriers do a nation wide/organized rate freeze for one full month, like around X-mas time cuz retail depend on that time for 40 percent of their Annual sales. Every O/O or carrier that will participate refuse to run any load for less thatn 7.00 per mile for one month as a protest. This would immediately get the media’s attention. Every talking head on TV would have an economist speaker giving their opinon on the econimic impact, and then the Truckers would FINALLY get the nations attenion when you hit every industry that rely on Transportation in the pocket. Now they would want to talk to us. The Powerful corportations would contact the Congressmen and Senators they OWN to do something immediately about what is happening to their bottom lines. As a result, the profits made by truckers for that one month would offset fuel costs, maint., regs, HOS losses for the entire year. The media and the nation are tired of toothless shutdowns… they do not fear them anymore from the crying wolf, but this idea I think is different, fresh, and has teeth. No insult intended to your comment.

  • Paul

    II suggest Carriers do a nation wide/organized rate freeze for one full month, like around X-mas time cuz retail depend on that time for 40 percent of their Annual sales. Every O/O or carrier that will participate refuse to run any load for less thatn 7.00 per mile for one month as a protest. This would immediately get the media’s attention. Every talking head on TV would have an economist speaker giving their opinon on the econimic impact, and then the Truckers would FINALLY get the nations attenion when you hit every industry that rely on Transportation in the pocket. Now they would want to talk to us. The Powerful corportations would contact the Congressmen and Senators they OWN to do something immediately about what is happening to their bottom lines. As a result, the profits made by truckers for that one month would offset fuel costs, maint., regs, HOS losses for the entire year. The media and the nation are tired of toothless shutdowns… they do not fear them anymore from the crying wolf, but this idea I think is different, fresh, and has teeth. No insult intended to your comment.

  • Rey Moreno

    That’s an excellent idea

  • Swan

    I thought it ludicrous that they would say increase efficiency rather than increasing rates. How does one become more efficient when 90% of the time one has to wait either to load or unload. FMCSA wants to change one thing after another, new demands and restrictions every year just to make it harder on the trucker!!!!

  • guest

    What a Pathetic JOKE trucking has become…a Regulatory Nightmare…like an Octopus the tentacles of more and more Rules..really no Time to earn Money……..lol

  • g

    sure..its an industry where you can get rich if you Lie, Cheat, and Steal every chance you get…the most Rusthless Crooks are Shippers, Brokers, and Trucking Company Owners who have become Billionaires..but have left a path of Death and Destruction behind them..Winner Take All is their Motto..by any means necessary…they didnt get rich following laws.

  • dizzy

    dude whats cheap to you may not be cheap to another!! i can make it easy today on $1000 a day everyday!! if you need more then i suggest you change your lifestyle to a lesser expensive one!! i can guarantee you nor anyone else out here is worth what you are asking for!! my wife and i pay for our truck and trailer ,have our own authority, pay house payments ,house maintence,two motorcycles a car a mudd truck and a f-250 pick up!! its guys like you looking to make a fortune off of this industry that makes us all look like we are a bunch of greedy people!! we also haul oversize freight so we have the expense of permits as well!! i admit the rates can be alot better at times!! it is frustrating when u see the load board and rates are the same as they was 10 yrs ago when fuel was $1.50/gal. my wife and i run for 3-5 weeks and go home for two weeks…been doing that way for years now!! good luck trucker!!

  • myron

    excellent point

  • dizzy

    I think it’s typical for these type of people to try and say we need to eat the extra expense because they don’t want to loose a dime! as usual pass the extra cost onto us and not give us a raise!! also look at what state these loosers are in…TENNESSEE.. im from there and let me tell you our state gov’t sucks .they are greedy as hell!! It’s time for US to take a stand and demand whats rite for us!! i do believe if they want these changes then they should have to cover the extra expense!! shippers and receivers have got it made.they cost the industry thousands of dollars a day or more in detention time and don’t reimburse for it!! they should be held responsible!! all WE have to do is refuse to move the freight till the changes are made!! WE the TRUCKERS have ALL the power…we just need to enforce it!!! GOOD LUCK ALL and TRUCK SAFE!!

  • dizzy

    i also think that if they want to talk more efficient….then why don’t shippers and receivers make their operations more efficient than they are!! holding a truck for hours past the appiontment they assigned for us and not wanting to compensate for it is not very efficient!! the change seriously needs to be made in their (shippers and recievers) operations not ours!! if they would do that it would make it so much less stressful and easier for us to remain in compliance with every law! by the fact the fmcsa or any gov’t agency wont hold them liable for their inefficient operation…we take the bunt of it!!! its bs!!

  • http://www.truckertwotimes.com/ Truckertwotimes

    “Needs to improve efficiency” That certainly is a line that has been worn plum out… I suppose Truckers could change their food items to only include crackers and water, not run an APU to save fuel, not hook to IdleAir to be more efficient and never ever idle one’s truck to stay warm or cool, o yea, and drive 45 mph to conserve more fuel.

  • Steve

    What would your thoughts be if the company said NO OVERTIME, park it at 8 hours, and 40 per week, a motel is cheaper! call in Monday……..

  • Misty BigRig

    Here’s a thought… before a law is passed…there should be at least someone to sign off on the law who’s an advocate in that industry. The people who are making the laws…have no idea what trucking is even about. Then again, what do I know. I just feel for truckers and see that few people/ companies care about them. Articles like this…gets my motherly instincts flowing. Just wish I could help. Hope in the future, I can help.

  • Trick1

    If lawmakers didn’t make new laws they would be out of a job, prepare for a lot more laws down the road. I wonder how often drivers cross paths for a pick up going where the other just unloaded

  • Don Woodman

    I agree with the $110. per rate, however we need to pay attention to the shippers and receivers. Last week I spent 7 hours sitting and waiting, only to be compensated for 1 hour.Who cares about my driving time or family time. Not them. They say, getting a driver with more time available. Dah! I would have the time if you didn’t make me sit so long.

  • localnet

    Jim, you are spot on! These brokers are skimming enormous amounts off the top. There are a few honest ones out there, but they are an exception to the rule. Honestly, I don’t know how these lease O/Ops do it at a buck a mile out here… I just got back into this OTR racket, and comparing rates with some of these guys is pretty f’n sad… On one particular run, I’m getting $3.50 for all miles, including dead head, while they are at a $1.40, and have to pay the cargo insurance to boot! I about fell over! I told him what the load was paying to my truck, and he didn’t get it… I don’t know, most of the time we are our own worst enemy.

  • localnet

    You have never worked for $100 an hour, just admit it… ;) I have, and it’s good coin, as long as the hours are there. And my point would be the fact that most trucks don’t turn even close to that… I know where you are coming from, sadly many will never have a clue as to what is really happening to them… Their life started the day they were born… And so did the entirety of History. They don’t know how well trucking used to pay.

  • localnet

    Sorry, not enough.

  • mousekiller

    Yes, I have worked for $100 an hour . In the last few years I have worked for over $300 an hour. Some of what I do is specialized and requires clearances and pays well. Those days are numbered now and we will not get into politics. as to why.. Those moves that pay well are becoming less and less available as rate cutters and connected cronies have wormed their way in and are destroying it .. These runs were not by the hour but what it paid me to do the job. Example If it paid me $1,500 and took me 2 1/4 hrs to do the job that is pretty good pay. don’t you think? So yes I have earned in excess of $100 an hour. trucking.

  • localnet

    I was being sarcastic… We are on the same page… Trust me, I’m as pissed off as you are… Sitting up here in Portage IN at the TA right now on a reset… Money I’m making is good… Running regional, averaging 3 a mile… But, I found an honest outfit…. And can make more if I play my cards right. But honestly, after 24 years of this sh-t, I really no longer care. This is no longer fun, it’s an f’n job, but all I know.

  • mousekiller

    Today’s trucking is not fun nor enjoyable for me as it was years ago. It is a shame that us so called old HANDS ” (“remember that term’ Hand?” being called a Hand was a compliment). are leaving in droves. No one will be left to educate ,teach and demonstrate . The newbies have their own agenda. Years ago you couldn’t keep me home no matter the weather. It was always a pleasure to see friends we have made out on the road .Some became life long friends some fleeting. . I really miss the era prior to the CB. craze. Hand signals to pass information along. How the using of the lights came to be..Knowing if you broke down usually the next truck would stop to offer help or a ride. Helping another driver to load or unload, We didn’t think twice about helping to tarp on a windy or rainy day. We had no problem stopping to share a cup of coffee. Truck stops had the round table.Only truckers sat there. It mattered not who you drove for or if you even knew the other drivers, More than likely you made a friend before you got up and left. . Irregardless of the rates or the fancy trucks offered by some carriers we will never go back to the days of integrity, honesty, personal pride and professionalism. This industry is moving forward in technology and backwards in drivers.. I have been driving trucks a bit over 45 years. . Too old to change jobs and too young to quit…. The better half calls me an old fire horse. Hear the bell ( got loaded) and off I gotta go…..

  • mousekiller

    iI would become Regional. Home every night.. Fewer OTR runs. Just relays. UPS does it today. Short hauls are so boring..

  • mousekiller

    When this problem of detention first began years ago I had printed up a form stating in semi legal terms a rate to be paid to me for driver , trailer and tractor if delayed at the dock longer than two hours after bumping it.. I would staple it to the BOL. ON TOP. Seldom did I sit. longer than two hours. Got paid once. It did give them food for thought. Back then it was a big amount. $20. an hour for driver, $50 an hour for tractor and $50 an hour for trailer or any part of an hour over the two Hr limit unless other arrangements were made. prior to off loading or loading..Then again it has not been too many years ago that the shipper or dock foreman knew if his product would fit in a 48 foot trailer. or not..Dock hands knew what you were talking about when you mentioned chimney block in loading. . I really dislike the 53 footers.

  • Michael

    Well all you guys talk about shut downs and rate hikes at Christmas time . there is a simple fix to this and all you have to do is say NO to cheap freight set a bottom dollar and stick to it . we can control rates if we just set a standard. and stick to it . the problem is there are people out there that will haul freight for nothing just to get home . It’s really sad.