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just the truckers alone it would be noticed by DC but not taken to seriously. BUT with the people not buying or going to work it will effectively cut off the Flow of Tax dollars to DC. so shutting down Commerce and purchasing,,, it would NOT take long for bankers and investor to be screaming in DC’s ears ! and THAT IS MY PLAN and why i started this trucker shut down of DC and the economy… looks like it is going to be HUGE it went viral..
it would be nice if all of them would shut down one day it might just help wiyh fuel prices
this would only work if every owner operator would be readdy to shutdown for atleast for one week
You have to understand, by taking a stand and parking for at least a week, the country would definitly feel the impact of owner-op’s. Think about it, most of the company drivers are driving school recruites. Your better drivers on the road are the owner-op’s.
I have been shut down for three weeks now and plan on staying that way tell January.
I wish that the truck drivers would finally wake up to the understanding of the actual power they have. If the Owner Operators, especially the food (produce) haulers, would shut down for just three consecutive days then the general public would be on the verge of panic and Washington would be forced to sit down at the table and actually listen to the drivers for a change.
As drivers we have allowed Washington and the special interest groups walk all over us. It has been proven time and time again that the Class 8 drivers are the safest drivers on the road and it is damn time that we stood up for ourselves and stopped these special interest groups (ie the railroad money) from dictating what is decidedly a lack of common sense when it comes to our regulations.
Stand up for what is right for a change!!!!
Well I look at like this, I will shut down, only because I can afford to. However, most won’t because they are not smart enough because they can’t. They have not managed their business well enough to afford to. There are so many immigrants operating trucks today that live them, that are subsidized by the federal government that I personally don’t think it will matter. I hate to say this but, as a Vietnam Veteran and an AMERICAN of 62 years I don’t think it will make a Damn. The other thing to think about is, the government is reading everything we write so are YOU going to be the next audited. PLUS, Is Swift, JB, US EXPRESS, MARTEN, you name them, do they give a crap? They will just cut our throat. SHUT IT DOWN I AM WITH YOU!!!! Let’s see!!
John — That is why it has to be the O/Os that shut down. As an O/O myself I know that the larger companies could not make up for the loss of trucks hauling produce and there would be shortages. Once there are food shortages then the general public will be boardering on riots and THEN the government will listen.
I personally don’t have enough work to take any time off or turn away any work just saying
Shutting down will only prove one thing, how immature the trucking industry has gotten. The only reason prices are low in hauling freight is because people are willing to haul for the low price. Most O/O’s don’t even really know if they are making a profit. They don’t even know what there operating costs are. If everyone would quote freight rates that match the times we live in, none of this would matter. More money could be made running less hours. Shutting down is like a little kid crossing his arms and pouting. Change your business model and make more money, stop running cheap freight, quote prices that match the times we live in and you will make money. If you have to shut down, maybe you don’t know enough about what your doing to stay running anyways.
By people, you mean foreigners, & Mexicans driving our country; we should take it!
with new laws there should be 50 percent rise,The lawmakers donot know the effect ,problem they will see within a day Lets shut down 100 percent ,no trucks on any road through the countryfor five days plus weekend, Lets all think my tyruck is in the shop.
The reality is everything in America gets transported and delivered by trucks. The only way for the government to see this is if all American drivers would unite to show them product gets no where without us. The way to show this is shut down for a week, not just hours or a couple of days. Setting hours for drivers to drive does not always work for everyone in the industry, such as, heavy haulers. Whom are already governed by city and state permits, city and state curfews, and routing. WAKE UP TRUCKERS, IF DC DOESN’T PROVIDE THE TOILET PAPER TO WIPE YOUR ASS YOU WON’T UNDERSTAND THIS.
Seems to me trucks did this in the 70’s.
I am an old timer. I bought my first truck in
1972. In 1973, the “fuel crisis” hit the trucking industry hard. I shut down
in 1973. This was a hardship, as I was just getting started, but I believed in
the cause. I again shut down in 1979.
These “strikes” or “shut-downs” had little
effect. WHY?? Because not enough people participated.
The major reason for not shutting down was “I
can’t afford to.” Let me ask you this: can you afford to see rates continue to
drop? Can you afford to continue paying higher and higher prices for fuel? Can
you afford to have our freight hauled by non-Americans under NAFTA rules? Can
you afford to have more and more regulations imposed? CSA, EOBR’s, tests for
sleep apnea, and on and on? These cost us out of pocket expense, and lost
revenue. Where will it end? It won’t!
How did it get to this point? Apathy! “Let the
other person strike.” “It won;t do any good anyway.” “Why should I write to my
congressman, he won’t listen.”
I hate to say this, but France (of all
countries) has proven that well organized and strongly supported (by
participating) strikes CAN have an effect.
I WILL be shutting down in October. Won’t you
I think it would make a big different in trucking because so many people just don’t realize what the trucker do for the USA I”ll challenge any one to name something was never been shipped on a truck or some thing it was made from
Unfortunately not all of the O/O will stick together. The government would love for O/O to loose their trucks to the large trucking companies, so they can have more people on payrolls to keep track of. They know O/O can not afford to retrofit their trucks, and don’t care that an O/O can not afford a replacement truck of $200,000. Does anyone realize that New York State, also has the January 2014 date for the same retrofit that California is enforcing? There will be a big decline in O/O in NY.
It is hard to compete against large companies for a profitable rate for O/O.
I am afraid we are a dying breed and our government is not out to help us.
You won’t get enough people to do this to make it matter. And the morons planning to drive to DC? Where are they going to drive? There’s nowhere a commercial truck can go that’s going to make a difference – its not like you can drive past the Capitol. What are you going to do, drive circles around the District? Most of the drivers out here are too stupid to know if they can even afford to shut down. R they’re afraid to lose their .83 cents a mile. This industry employs some of the dumbest sheep I’ve ever come across. As an O/O, I know to the penny what it costs me to operate. And I can afford to shut down for a week or six weeks. IF there were serious organization of this. But there’s not. There are only drivers sitting in their underwear in their sleeper, commenting here. It’s a joke.
I am sorry I-10 lover but that is just a load of trash. The Federal Government has passed more regulation on the trucking industry over the last 6 years than in the past 60, if you think that we are just being immature then you are the one with the problem. Regulations cost us money, and lots of it. We have proven that we are the safest driver on the road but all the regulation keeps getting dumped on us in the name of “safety”. That facts are that of all the accidents that involve cars and trucks the car (passenger vehicle) is the at fault vehicle over 70% of the time.
So why are we being penalized???
Would not be effective enough to draw the attention needed. Many have tried none have succeeded. As a owner operator myself, I prefer not to give up the potential revenue for the very little gain I expect to come from a very grass roots and unorganized work stoppage. I have witnessed better organized events get very little in positive responses. With freight slow, the effects are minimal. Other trucks will make up the shortage easily.
If certain cities or states are boycotted then it would allow O/O’s to continue to work at the same time have an impact politically and economically on those targeted. Lawmakers would ultimately have to listen.
And you don’t have work for the very reasons that are being discussed here. So, you have to decide if your going to fight back or go with the flow. Sometimes you just have to figure out how to solve the problem. Maybe try and scheduled some kind of side job. Just a thought.
not enough owner operators to make an impact need the union and big companies to shut down to have an impact
Wizard, You Are correct, however, most O/Ops have not prepared themselves to do this. I wish, growing up in the 50’s and 60’s that we would unite and make a change. I am A PROFESSIONAL TRUCK DRIVER, just like my DAD and very proud of it. I am very proud of our USA, however, I am afraid that we have lost it. Thank God I have only 20-30 years left. I worry about my children and grandchildren. MAY GOD BLESS !!!
Kelly, not a bad idea.
I marked other.
The shut down has to be at a time that will hurt. And we can not cave into the gov crying about the public being hurt, as they do during other disputes, like the coal mine disputes of years past.
Be prepared for the name calling and be prepared for the government to allow our enemies to flood in from Mexico to take up the slack that’s put into play.
We are confronting a serious problem. Far more serious than anything that’s come before us; except, maybe the ROBBER BARONS of the mid to late 1800’s.
We are confronting the take over of our government, by the corporations, and the Mexicans they use to drive us down. We are confronting Mexico, Mexicans, (etc.) Invading our country and DRIVING OUR LIFE STYLE DOWN. I would have never believed this would have to my family and my countrymen.
If the shut down was actually about fixing our regulations and the recent changes in the HOS rules I’d be completely behind it. But this shut down is all completely political in nature thinking it’s going to change the corruption in government. Sorry…that’s not going to change that. It’s always been there and always will be. And to say it’s about upholding the constitution…well that has nothing to do with corruption either. The constitution says nothing about the government officials giving the rich tax breaks or taking food away from the poor. The constitution does not stop politicians from making false claims, incorrect facts or religious diatribes. Make it about something that all truckers can stand behind….the rules that screw us up, create less miles and take money away from our pay.
I have a question, How many of you, in his discussion, understand fuel taxes by each state. Would each one of you tell me what the tax is in NC, NY, or PA or OR and explain that to me. Better yet, If fuel is $4.00 in SC and fuel is $4.10 in NC where is the better place to buy?
People need to realize how dependent EVERYTHING is on truckers providing services. Unless you grow your own food, can it, store it for all seasons etc, you NEED drivers to be treated well. Truckers need to be able to make a decent living! Stand up!
We have lost it. Just look at So. CA, L.A. AREA, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington DC, crime and murders. Look at So.
CA, and the whole L.A. AREA.
Worrying won’t do that much. Figuring out how serious this problem is and then figuring how hard you will fight is what needs to be done. We must talk about these is and talk about them in the serious tone that they deserve.
Huh? First Ive heard of this for NY. So the compliance deadline for trucks into NY is Jan 1, 2014 and is the same as CA? Not one major industry publication called attention to this. Highly doubt your info. OVERDRIVE, care to comment/clarify?
It would work but it not going to happen the Longshoremen do it all the time. Assuming drivers would actually did shut down what are we shutting down for more money like I keep saying when the price of diesel went UP big trucking companies did not shut down they charged more to move the freight and continued to keep our wages down. Less why regulations again what for the more regs and the drivers are going to charge up for compliance with the regs just like any other business. Let me help before Mike Smith starts blaming: 1) the shut down should be for the week before Thanksgiving continue for until New Year’s so start saving your monies for 2015 and if you are serious about this labor movement get on CB tell any truck on the road will be dealt with as crossing a pick line ( and since it is so important to Mike please say it in Spanish); 2) what are your other demands because people are going to be pretty pissed there potatoes, etc. aren’t in shop.
Ill join you. The na sayers are everywhere. And they sure do pipe up when they see the chance to F with somebody else. Listen, the nay sayers werent gonna do anything anyways. Anyone that truely has a stake in this industry knows that its high time things change, and anyone else who says otherwise is a fake. All the buzz is from Real guys who stuck their neck out to try and get somewhere. So if that YOU then do something about it and rest in the fact that the rest of the nay sayers can go F themselves.
ProMiles is a computer program that allows you to plug in your route and tell you exactly where the best and cheapest place to buy fuel is. They do the work for you, taking into account just what you said – $4 in one state, $4.10 in another. Just because the price per gallon is less does not mean its your best option. You have to take into account all the costs.
Mike, thank you are comments are well taken and “enlighting” I agree with you in history people have assassinated as you stated people like me having served in the military so let me take the throne for the readers of this discussion. 1. First and foremost, we the professional drivers are going to demand an immediate repeal of the exemption of motor carriers from the minimum wage laws both federal and in each state. 2. The new federal minimum wage for a professional driver with 1 year or more of experience will be 65CPM no exceptions not even “small” carriers or anyone with a foreign name on their truck. 3. The new minimum wage for any new driver with less than 1 year of driving will be 35 CPM and they must team up for least 6 months as an “apprentice” again no exceptions. 3. After 3 years + the new minimum wage for drivers will be 75 CPM or indexed for inflation no exceptions. 4. And so on 5+ years experience. 5. There will be surcharge of 5 CPM for any state where the speed limit is below 55mph on major the interstate, i.e. Oregon. 6. Under the new law, there will be a new tax for the established of the federal “Professional Driver’s Retirement Fund” this is similar to the Railroad Retirement Board and in addition to social social benefits. In support of these revolutionary changes the professional driver will increase safety and professionalism 7. The professional driver will not smoke for health reasons leading to better safety. 8. All professional drivers will sign up for the company’s wellness plan. 9. Every professional driver will meet the PT standards promulgatedathttp://usarmybasic.com/army-……. 10. Every professional driver will complete leading to an AA degree over a 3 year period a safety class at any community college, 6 hours of American and World history, 3 hours of English, etc. 11. hours of community service in Crenshaw, Englewood, Bed-Stuv, or a church, homeless shelter, nursing home and the like.
Any Professional driver that cannot meet these new qualifications whether they speak English or not should find another industry for low paying jobs end of discussion. Now unlike the new HOS rules that got passed and we complained thereafter make it happen. Be safe.
Ny and PA have the highest fuel tax, .39 and .36 respectedly. NY also has the TMT (Ton Mileage Tax). Oregon bills you later for this fuel tax. NC is .26 and SC is .16
I don’t think these are just O/O problems. Over regulation affects all drivers, and all of the society we call the United States of America. I don’t advocate unions, and I certainly don’t believe that congress should be getting their input from large conglomerates. This country was made great because of free markets, and favoritism to large corporations is wholly wrong, and what has been a major contributor to the spiraling decline of this country. I understand why guys flee to the wrongful perception of stability of large company employment, and personally, view it as a decided lack of fortitude. Due to this decided lack of backbone, company drivers will not park their company truck for even a day in solidarity to the brotherhood of truckers or the people of this country in general. However, if all drivers were to park their truck for a week, all of society would be affected. This could bring light to over regulation in general, not just trucking. Truckers could be the unorganized patriots that went down in history as being the turning point that saved this country. Ya don’t have to be in DC to park your truck. And, if things don’t get better, everyone needs two more weeks off right before Christmas too. If somebody doesn’t make a stand for something then we are all going to continue to fall for anything.
damn spell check!!!! Respectively
Robert, u r correct except for NC is 39.
your full of shit. shippers and brokers dictate freight rates unless its harvest time. Dont lesten to guy he doesnt know S h i t.
Regulations are being CREATED by the government to put sclubs to work at our expense. Example: We have to pay OOIDA for the DRUG TESTING PROGRAM. Labs and nursing, etc., jobs are created at our expense.
These are our demands and shared with Mike Smith months ago although all he is interested in immigration reform make this go viral the new federal minimum 65CPM indexed by Congress for inflation, etc. Like I said this shut down should have been planned just before Thanksgiving and one of your biggest supports would have been Walmart :
I guess 86000 of morons believe different. Its people like you that is part of the problem not the solution. I will bet you will be hauling cause your to stupid think outside the box. If we Do not do anything now all the government will do is take it over Brokers will keep filling there pockets off your back. I don’t know about you but its time to take our country back.
IF WE ALL PULL OVER TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AT THE SAME TIME FOR ONE HR IT WOULD SEND A MESSAGE NO TRUCKS ON THE ROAD AT ALL THINK ABOUT IT!!
Marten screwed me over during the recession by under bidding 15 cents a mile less than the lowest bidder. 1.80 per mile on frozen to the east coast. then six moths later that same shipper called me back and said they would take a reasonably bid from me if i came back. what people dont realize is that the big companies dont serve customers and brokers like we do. shippers have to babysit the big ones because they pull shannagins and have service failures probably more often than youd think. believe me, if us little guys dissapeared suddenly, there would be big enough problems to make important people very uncomfortable. A SHUT DOWN OF LARGE PROPORTIONS WONT GO UNNOTICED!
Kelby this a great idea and in addition we should focus in on big trucking companies and their big high profile customers NO FREIGHT FOR WALMART! And like I said this is not limited to O/O we are not putting all of the burden on them this is serious business and includes company drivers willing to work for nothing. I would recommend they get a PM on that date!
In order for this to be effective we must have the support of all O/O and small companies like myself.. I’m willing to park my trucks and suspend the insurance for a month,.. Years ago when UPS shut down it made an impacted,.. point is we are underappreciated and then these brokers play games with the rates, going to the shippers telling them they can move these loads for a dollar a mile and a lot of O/O run these loads for them,.. which is crazy,. Remember it takes about 80c a mile to run a load and more for refeer loads, remember the liability involved doesn’t change, get there late you pay, any damages you pay, break down you pay,.. Me personally when they come with these bs rates I turn away,,.. because its just too crazy.. We have to unite and form a forum and we all set a minimum rate standards and stick to it and force the hands of the broker/shipper… But will this happen??? Many of us are not even loyal to ourselves??? No unity we are set against each other…
The government is reading everything! The King George government read everything also. So then, what’s left to do?????????????
You are correct they want to collect payroll taxes put O/O on payroll. Really I do not see the “problem” like I said okay NO FREIGHTfor California and now New York there are 46 other states that simple when these states want to ENGAGE us then great let us talk. The CARB has provided zero leadership on emission after Gov Schwarzengger made the decision the California would take the lead in reducing emission and the DPF puts soot and dirt into my engine costing reducing MPG, $7000 to replace, etc. and nobody reimbursing me are you serious!
Thanks but NO EVERYONE is shutting down this is nonsense!
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