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Mailbag: One operator’s ‘hairy’ trip speed-limited at 65, more views on limiter mandate proposal

| September 13, 2016

If any, what speed setting would be most fair for a speed-limiter final rule?

The source for the above chart is an OverdriveOnline.com poll we ran relative to the speed-limiter proposed rule shortly after it was introduced a couple weeks back. The largest share of reader respondents object to any speed setting, while an even larger share (47 percent) favor speed settings well above the speeds the Department of Transportation analyzed within the proposed rule’s text (68, 65 and 60 mph).

“Speeding by trucks is a non-issue,” noted reader Tim Begle in underscoring the most selected single response to the poll. Running “too fast for conditions is” an issue, he added, but “no speed limiter can fix that,” a view echoed by more than one reader voiced in the mailbag podcast at the head of the playlist above and below. Truck-involved fatality crash data in the FMCSA’s annual Large Truck and Bus Crash Facts report showed that the large majority of those fatalities (around 80 percent) between 2011 and 2013 occurred on roads with speed limits of 65 or below, by some interpretations underscoring Begle’s view.

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Nearly half of Overdrive readers were against any speed limiter mandate whatsoever, which comes as no surprise given the volume of objections to the notion of a mandate over the year and more leading into its release.

As noted, the DOT’s proposal looked specifically at three speeds in its associated analyses – 60, 65 and 68 mph – but the other commonly cited speeds in the poll correspond to the highest speed limit in a few U.S. states (80 mph), the top-speed rating of most commercial truck tires (75 mph) and the more-common 70 mph limit.

Setting a governor artificially low creates a problem for drivers who undergo a steer-tire blowout, noted longtime trucker and writer Tim Brady. “78 mph — that’s what I had my governor set at. The purpose of having it that high is any driver needs about 7 to 8 mph left in the accelerator if he blows a front steer tire.” Re-establishing control of the vehicle is a matter of accelerating a bit, then utilizing trailer brakes, to take weight off of the front of the vehicle. “Anyone who runs against the governor isn’t a trucker but a steering-wheel holder,” Brady added, “and a danger to him-/herself and everyone else on the road.”

A few other views on the speed-limiter situation in response to the question of a potentially appropriate speed:

Via Facebook:

William McKelvie: 70/75. At those lower speeds they have suggested, if you need to pull away from a car that decides to race you instead of allowing you back over, like they should, you have the power to maneuver away without causing more problems. Seems more and more as of late, autos are doing the ‘let’s race the truck’ thing when they are in the right lane and we attempt a pass in the left when they are texting, not paying attention, going slower, etc.

 

Bradley D Coddington: My truck is governed at 71 and you still have issues with some idiots playing that game. The nice thing is the big carriers are still governed at the lower speeds, so it’s easier to get around the moving roadblocks at 70. But I think 70 to 75 would be the proper setting speed, because it also falls into the majority of maximum speed limits in the states. I believe there are only a couple that are higher than 75. [Five, in fact. –ed.]

Chuck Shaffer: The only reason that this is an issue is because the mega carriers don’t want anyone to have a speed advantage over them. They want the playing field leveled at their level instead of brought up to ours!

Via OverdriveOnline.com: 

Jason Martin: The problem is inexperienced drivers in four-wheelers and trucks. … Invest in a good dash cam.

James C. Walker: The proposal for speed limiters for trucks in the USA comes from the large trucking companies and their organizations, and it has nothing whatever to do with safety.  The goal is to increase the competitiveness of the big trucking firms with the independent truckers and small trucking firms that are both more efficient and have better safety records than the big companies. … Drivers in Michigan already have the unacceptable situation with trucks that meet Ontario rules with limiters. You have one truck in the right lane whose limiter produces a speed of 64 mph being passed in the left lane by another whose limiter produces 65 mph and the pass takes forever. And if the trucks hit a hill during the pass it gets a lot worse.

Contrast this with driving west of the Mississippi where there are few states with differential truck speed limits and very few trucks with speed limiters. These sorts of unacceptable situations caused by limiters are quite rare [there].

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66 comments
bob walker
bob walker

I am not sure I understand all these rules for SAFETY. You can now get a CDL when you can't speak or read the English language. Now they want to lower the age to get a CDL to 18 years old. Now THINK the people making these new rules seem to think an 18 year old that can't read or speak English [so can't read road signs] hauling 80,000lb down the road is safe. But now we need speed limiters to keep it safe ???? Even though they don't need to write a log they can use ELD now. It seems we don't need Truck Drivers anymore just wheel holders. Have a nice day.

clete
clete

if you took all the morons off the road there might be 3 driver's left!!!!!!

clete
clete

well cjmarley,i was thinking MAYBE you were one of the 3,with a comment like that I guess not!!!

cjmarley
cjmarley

sure you were.

damned drives can never seem to handle sarcastic jokes.

:-)

cjmarley
cjmarley

I'm a woman...of course I'm right.

(more humor my friend)

clete
clete

@cjmarley wow!! I learned many moons ago to NEVER  argue with a woman. I lose everytime!!! just ask my wife and daughters and also my dog!!!

cjmarley
cjmarley

Let me tell you what I see happening if you limit truck speeds.


Last week I was traveling down Hwy 169 in KS. A lot of it is two lane with a speed limit of 70 mph. I myself am limited at 63 mph (which has it's own frustrations). I came up behind a truck doing 59 mph. It didn't take long for a long line of cars to gather behind us. I couldn't pass because being only able to do 63 myself I could not get the speed needed to pass quickly and safely. And of course the car drivers quickly got frustrated and antsy to get around us. I watched as TWICE there were almost head on collisions because those car drivers got impatient and passed me and the truck in front of me. 

So now what we had was a potentially deadly situation because my truck and the truck in front of me were going slower than the cars wanted to. Now imagine how much more often that is going to occur when they make ALL trucks go slower than the posted speed limits? 

I value my life and want to stay safe and alive to go home to my family. And that is how most truck drivers feel as well. But they push to create mandates that they claim are in the name of safety that in actuality place us at greater risk because they don't expect the same from non-commercial drivers. They want to reign in truckers while giving car drivers free reign to put our lives in danger even more than they do already (because by their own studies you know that 80% of accidents involving trucks are caused by car drivers but yet you punish US!). 

Not only am I an OTR driver but I've been a trainer as well. I put a lot of emphasis on safety with my students. But then I have to tell them how no matter how safe they drive their lives will still be at risk thanks to car drivers who have no respect for our lives let alone their own. Want to make the roads safer and see less trucks in accidents? Reign in the car drivers and nip their bad behavior in the bud. But that will never happen will it? Because they aren't here to watch out for the truck drivers. They could care less about us or our safety. If they truly cared about  safety then they'd push for laws that ACTUALLY make everyone safe...not ones that make us pariahs and road blocks.

MW33
MW33

I routinely hit 70 plus up here in Michigan. If I pass someone, I pass them. I will not play this rolling roadblock nonsense many do out here. There are also spots that I have to get up to speed to merge into traffic off of many a short get on ramp. This is in Michigan where we have a split speed limit, 60 for trucks, 70+ for cars. 

Honestly, we have allot of truck crashes up here, weekly, if not daily. If you cannot stay with the flow of traffic, or get out of the way, bad things happen. The few accidents I have come up on have all been trucks from companies that I know are governed. I run the same area weekly, it is easy to tell who is governed and who is not. 

A side note, my normal cruising speed is 62 to 63 mph, I buy the fuel and am rarely if ever in a hurry and run paper logs too... Another reason I do not rush, I do not have to play beat the clock, but do have the power and common sense to get out of the way.

TWade
TWade

I say we put the blame for the law for speed limiters on the group that has caused individuals and safety groups to want this law and get it passed. The fast trucks being driven by unprofessional morons that excessively speeds and taillgates. I seen one just a few minutes ago doing 74 mph and 5 feet off the rear bumper of a four-wheeler. Get the unsafe and unprofessional idiots our of large trucks and we will have fewer laws passed against truckers and a better image.

MW33
MW33

@TWade Training is key, and there is little of that in our industry. I also notice that many of these tailgaters are of foreign origin. I see it allot up here in Michigan. Just the other day I called the state police on a driver that was tailgating me on a two lane posted at 55. I was staying with the flow of traffic, staying around two truck lengths off the car in front of me. This jerk behind me would not get the message when I tried to back him off, so I called the cops. I think they had a field day with him, at least I hope they did. This clown should not be driving a truck, or should go back to wherever he came from. 

TWade
TWade

@MW33 @TWade  The ones I see are just plain uneducated impatient  gullible American drivers.

truckingops
truckingops

I agree that the current mandates seem intrusive to an industry that, long ago, prided itself on the freedom it once held. Those days are long gone along with most of the true truckers. Not saying that you or anyone else reading this is not a true trucker, but we all must admit that when we walk into a truckstop and look around, boy have things changed.


I personally believe that any industry that deals with time compliance issues and equipment limitations will always undergo change as technology advances. That is a given. The trucking industry is no different. As any other agency does, the USDOT will utilize industry's history, violation patterns, accident rates and fatalities to utilize current technology into new mandates. The ELD mandate is no different than DOL's attempts to govern overtime hours and to ensure employees are working under safe conditions. The speed limiter mandate is coming from successful results obtained in Ontario and Quebec, as I have not really found anything in any other US federally regulated industry. It is an easily proven need by simply looking at the various state speeding ticket totals for CMV's. As an industry it is our own fault in that respect.


My position is that the CDL should be a tiered license. Freedoms should be gained through a proven track record. In addition to the Class, there could be added Tiers.

Tier 1 is your fresh out of driving school driver with no track record. This driver is regulated to 60 mph and is required to drive in this position for 5 years safely, without a chargeable accident or moving violation in order to raise to Tier 2. 11 hours driving/10 hours off duty.


Tier 2 is your driver that now has proven their abilities. He swipes his drivers license into the card reader in the truck (this is a new addition to the ELD) and it bumps the governed speed to 70 mph. This driver is wanted by more carriers as he is less of an insurance risk and has the capability of getting the jobs done a bit quicker. Time in this Tier would be a minimum of 10 years with out any chargeable accidents and driver points maintained at +2 or better before moving into Tier 3. 11 hours driving/9 hours off duty.


Tier 3 is your top dog. When he swipes his CDL into the ELD it bumps the governed speed up to 5 mph above the posted interstate speed in the state he is in. ELD's must use GPS technology so the location sensing speed limiter capability is possible. This driver only drives for the carriers willing to have the best drive for them as he comes at a premium price. Hours available for driving are 12 hours/10 hours off duty, which may be split during the 22 hour period in any way. Driver points on your MVR must be maintained above plus 2 at all times.


If you have a chargeable accident, you will drop to the next lower tier. You will then start that Tier over.


To me and my peanut brain, the CDL needs to be a valued privilege and not thought of as a right.


Your thoughts, add to it.

truckingops
truckingops

@truckingops I failed to mention if enacting a Tier system, your current MVR would grandfather you into your respective Tier. At least 15 years and a flawless 10-year record would get you into Tier 3. Have accidents and/or many speeding tickets, you will be in the appropriate lower Tier. Just got out of driving school you start at the bottom.


One last note for you PC folks, any reference to he in this forum of course is meant he/she...

Gordon A
Gordon A

Some are posting about running 70 mph or higher and steady speed. First  thing you need to do is research your tires on your truck.Very few CMV tires are rated for  extended periods of high speed.Especially in hot weather. Few over 65-68 MPH.  Even your car tires are not rated for extended speeds over 70 mph.  Wonder why your tires gave out. .?? Think about it. And Michelin is not the fix all  tire either.. 

Just research it and you will understand more. Lots of mega carriers save money buying  tires in bulk and cheaper tires and have no need to worry due to already governed trucks to within the tire rated  speed.

Jpearson
Jpearson

@Gordon A funny thing.. We do it all the time in Utah..

Many places are 80 It gets hot there. And havent had tire failures.. Its all about tire air pressure.. Real funny thing.. Supper singles have a speed rating of 55 on most of their tires.. Ever see a heavy haul with 20 thou front ends run 55 all day long? And do we run high dollar tires?  Are double coin high dollar.. They just keep on going like the everready bunny. 

Or we could talk about the good ol days with TUBE TIRES  and SAFE AND SANE speed limits.. Thats where you could go as fast as you wanted.. As long as you thought it was safe.. Like 100mph..on tube tires.. They did it every day.. Day in day out.. 

Gordon A
Gordon A

Speed limiters  and road rage go hand in hand. An increase in accidents in inevitable. Who gets blamed? That is not a trick question.

Trucks will begin to convoy and they do tend to get a bit closer than they should to each other. Car drivers that are used to cutting trucks off to exit will soon find it is not so easy now and accidents will be on the increase. Of course the car driver will blame the truck and not the real reason.and so will the ambulance chasing lawyers.

Drivers of all vehicles will not be happy and those in the long line of trucks will be more truck drivers wondering, What the hell has happened to our industry.?

It is natural to want to pass the 1 or 2  mile an hour slower truck in front because it is slower than yours. But  and that is the catch word, But you know it will take you at least 2 miles or more  to do so. Do you  or don't you give it a try?

This speed limiter and ELD combo  is  planting the seed of road rage  a little deeper in those other drivers of ALL vehicles behind you.  Especially the drivers of cars and pickup trucks that do not have speed limiters . 

Then the fun starts. They do manage to pass then cut in way too close ,hit the brakes to teach you a lesson and demonstrate their lack of basic driving skills to the public. Little do they know you have recorded them on your dash cam being unsafe and soon someone will see them doing that on U tube.. Safety is a word used with no real meaning.

Speed limiters are for nothing  but control no different than what  the ELD is for.. Truck drivers are on the way out..Steering wheel holders on the way in. Free thinkers are no longer needed ...The industry is no longer fun to be a part of. It is not even a good job any more.. 

This situation is not something that has suddenly happened. It has been working it's way into our way of life for years.  I have a feeling it has been happening over the last few years  due to the lost item most of us had but have misplaced it called COMMON SENSE. It has nearly become instinct. There are may reasons we won't discuss them here.

Common sense has slowed us down on wet or slick roads. It has allowed us to make the decision  to stop and park when roads get too bad. it has allowed us  to listen  and helped us make the right decisions to either do it or don't do it. .Common Sense has been disappearing from the population  like snow does. .A little at a time until it is is gone.  Between Speed Limiters and  ELD's  this industry is on it's death bed  struggling  and gasping for air against the strangle hold on it's throat by govt  bureaucrats. 

Don't get me started on those  damned Round A Bouts.

scott jordan
scott jordan

@Gordon A Very good comment, I hope you let the FMCSA know how you are feeling as well.  That would be an excellent comment to post there.

Superdave7421
Superdave7421

If they really want to do something ,get rid of the elog and u will have safety back it ain't about speed it's about the clock on the elog

Shannyshacker
Shannyshacker

Aren't all the states going to be upset that the cash cow has run out of cash. If they limit the spend a bear can't say you were doing 70 + when it can only do 68 NO More feeding the bears.

WilliamLFields
WilliamLFields

Super great point. And there are some great advances to it as well.

Gordon A
Gordon A

There is a Govt reg  that states the   speedometer on a CMV only has to be accurate to within 5 MPH at 50MPH. Nothing about how accurate at 60 or 45. mph . A good lawyer can use that in your defense.

scott jordan
scott jordan

Attacking one another over what you run your truck at, is not solving the problem.  I may be running my truck at 57 mph today and 70 tomorrow depending on the load, road, and conditions.  I bought and paid for my equipment, I pay the taxes and fees to run my business.  I am just sick and tired of the FMCSA making rules and regulations that really have very little to do with safety and more to do with the special interest groups that lobby them.  This speed limiter rule will make all drivers lives suck, even more then they already do.  This is to include the motoring public, who are far worse dangerous then any of us truckers ever thought about being.  Their impatience often times is the cause of accidents on our roadways.  Imagine them passing us now not only on the right hand shoulders but the left ones as well.  Don't believe it will happen, well it did to me the other day in Kansas, I could not believe that the joker in his hiked up 4 X 4 was passing me on the left while I was passing another vehicle.  We Independent Carriers and Owner Operators want to poke fun at the company drivers, but in the end they deal with frustrations more so then we do on a daily basis.  If any of you will be honest like I am, that is the reason I bought my own rigs and started my own company.  I did not want to run down the road at 61 mph all the time, and stay out for two to three weeks on end.  I think the boys at the ATA want us to be miserable like them, the level playing field they are talking about is they don't want to hear it from their drivers about their trucks being cut back.  They want us to get frustrated so we will quit and then they can have the playground all to themselves.  Heck they can't even handle what they have now.  Let us get our pissed off comments where they belong, to the FMCSA, and spread the news to the motoring public as well.  I have already done so at Facebook and other sites.  It is funny that the motoring public is putting up comments when truckers can not do so for themselves.  For the love of your industry, do something for once beside gripe and complain among one another.  Let the gooberment know how pissed off you are and please use a little logic in your comment.

Gordon A
Gordon A

@scott jordan  Scott,,, I live in KS and I have seen that vehicle do that same thing to me. I think he does it for kicks. One day he will pay .

MW33
MW33

@scott jordan @Gordon A He has a few cousins up here in Michigan, I think I get passed at least once a week by some clown like that, on the shoulder. Split speed limit in Michigan, a real PIA and very dangerous. Many many truck accidents here... It is unreal. 

DeborahCressler
DeborahCressler

@MW33 @scott jordan @Gordon A

The was a woman who decided to do that up there on the M-10 I believe because she was in a hurry; she ended up hitting the guardrail on a bridge and getting killed.  Such dumb people.

Roger66
Roger66

Yesterday I was coming south on I 81 in Virginia a few miles south of I 66. I like to drive 62 mph but I have my own truck governed on the petal at 75. I slowed to let a tractor trailer and a car get on the interstate traffic was heavy and I could not get into the left lane so I yielded to let them on. We went on about a mile south and the car could not get in the left lane to pass, he then passed the tractor trailer on the shoulder! This is very dangerous and am seeing more and more car drivers doing this. For goodness sakes some how some way there needs to be common sense and governing all trucks to slower than the rest of the traffic is a terrible idea!!!

clete
clete

hey ed.they want to govern your mph not your rpm range!!!!!!

scott jordan
scott jordan

If nobody takes the time to post comments to the FMCSA about this issue then it will just float easily just like the ELD's did.  I love how we truckers just grip and complain to each other but fail to follow through with stating our grievance to the government when given the opportunity.  When fewer of us Independent Carriers fail to post any comment, then we have nobody to blame but ourselves.  What is the government supposed to think when you fail to comment about your dissatisfaction of their ideas?  While we may all believe that they are bought and paid for by the Mega's, if we fail to do our part we will just be sitting over here whining and complaining about how we are always getting screwed.  This is a topic that effects not only truckers but the general motoring public as well.  I have posted the comment link in several forums, Facebook, and now here.  We must get all of us on top of this deal, if for no other reason but to find out if what we suspect is true.  The government does not really listen to its people.  If we comment and it is successful we may actually find out that we the people have just been failing to tell them what we want.

COMMENT LINK: http://cqrcengage.com/ooida/app/thru?ep=AAAAC2Flc0NpcGhlcjAxmJ4xdV5twaZKgfoEBtn3VxVO_TAT5H9MdnRZ_M-hn8kVXfOZ_lp_l2sz7uij9_wVffdTJYvuoIwddyRPfVjfXIZ0JdOHLjwnbnIbCgeJ5vypDwdXYPiI1HBkaBxIdP-cxb1jF5PCf-lchh7cr7xFbdaIMRGAs4NlQWVWMtl8oFs&lp=0

Edward Hill lll
Edward Hill lll

Edward Hill: My truck is governed at 2100 rpm and I have enough power to get around most problems , but I do the posted speed limit in all posted areas. The problem comes in in the areas where the posted speed limit is not obeyed by slower moving vehicles and you can't get around them due to (no trucks in the left lane)and you can't get around slower traffic in any other lane. Slower traffic should be in the right lane, and every other vehicle should be able to do the posted limit what ever it is. If the public what there commodities on time, leave our trucks alone. To many regulations.

Mind Games
Mind Games

Oh they'll listen on the public comments if they see the word "STRIKE" posted throughout the site. Hell yeah they'll listen. 

tammysb
tammysb

If it passes look for alot more accidents and road rage.

18wheels
18wheels

Speed limit in truck is more traffic in hwy more accident two truck tuning same speed one right lane other left lane you truck go arrown the other same speed plus the four wheels try to speed up and slow down 


MikeVi
MikeVi

I think limiters below the speed limit would be a hazard and create more rear end crashes for 4 wheelers. Imagine going 75 and coming up on a trailer going 65 or 68 and no where to go when you finally realize it what happens 4 wheeler runs up under you. Also you will be in the passing lane running against the limiter and have no where to do and have a line of traffic behind you creating another safety hazard, if a 4 wheeler don't let you in.  I have been driving 40 years and don't think this is a good idea not only for driving time but safety also.

bigred713
bigred713

I`m 61 yrs old, been in a truck since 1973 and I do about 2 loads a month, I stay out of the Northeast, the  south and the southwest because of the traffic in all those areas. I`m 100% independent and drive a C-15 cat, 550 hp and non governed...I do the speed limit because I`m not in the mess in those states (I 40 is a disaster now with traffic) so I choose to go where most don`t. 

What everyone is missing here is that all this crap now, ELD`S, speed limiting, etc. are just ways this Demo gov can FILL the highways with more and more trucks. Slow em down and you have to add more trucks and more unsafe drivers. It has NOTHING to do with safety anymore. We have turned into a country that WAREHOUSES and distributes Foreign junk. When you haul junk, rates will never go anywhere and the more trucks you put on the road the lower the rates will go...THINK ABOUT IT.

peaveypro
peaveypro

PUBLIC COMMENT thats a load of bull, anybody who thinks any of those Congressional do gooders listen to a driver is asleep behind the wheel, How many times have DRIVERS said, the way to fix this or that, but Drivers dont know anything, were just greasy gear jammers in smoky old trucks getting in the way of Little Suzy as she texts to her friends in the same car....Im retired from the Biz, got out a couple years ago, so glad I did, regulations have ruined the experience, the drive to drive....the thing I enjoyed more then anything, crossing the country back and forth, east, west, midwest, canada, and all parts...SAFELY, never had a ticket, never had a wreck...then somebody said your too fat, we need to put a camera in your truck, speed limiters, ELDs, and good God whats next....The experience has been ruined for many O/O like me who enjoyed our jobs and did them well....NOPE, Shove your speed limiter where the sun DONT SHINE...

MichaelSinclair
MichaelSinclair

The problem isn't speed limiters or eld's. The problem is that the pay for the industry is stalled at 1970's and 1980's rates. Yet fuel is 4 times what is was in the 70's and 80's, and a new truck cost 2 to 2 1/2 some time 3 times what it did in the 70's/80's. The cost of living is up and the drivers and o/o are making less and less. If. They don't get the rates up to keep drivers from quitting the industry all the speed limiters and eld's in the world won't move the freight. Without driver behind the wheel the truck don't move.

Cliff Downing
Cliff Downing

@MichaelSinclair Sounds good, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.


1) if drivers are in the situation you say, then why are they even doing the job?  No one tied them down, threatened to rape and murder their family, and indentured them to do this line of work.  Why would anyone do the job if they couldn't make a living at it?  


2) my Net, yes Net not gross, last year with my one measly 2013 truck, was over $80K.  I am on target to exceed that this year.  This is purely business. Not some Smokey and the Bandit nonsense.  I am profitable, which goes against your analysis.  And though my truck isn't speed limited (I actually have no clue how fast it will go, had it up to 85 once and still had more to go), I typically run everywhere at less than 65 mph, usually 60-62 mph. I am home weekends and holidays, and I took 4 weeks off last year and still had a net over $80K.  I have a very nice BCBS medical plan with $5 mil in coverage tied to a health savings account for myself and the wife, that was not handed to me by some carrier or thru a buyers group either.  I got it thru an independent insurance agent on my own, and it grandfathered in under Obummercare so I don't have to comply with that nonsense.  Nope, not on some dedicated run or similar.  Just general freight one can put in a 53' dry box pulled behind one lone truck, by one single driver, me.  


3) I will concede, cost of living is higher. No doubt. And I remember what driver pay was in the 80's.  And it sure was a hell of lot lower than it is now.  Pay is stalled in the 70/80's?  It is at least double what it was in '92.  In 1992, 17 to 23 cents a mile was the norm for a company driver.  Sure, it hasn't quite kept up with inflation, but your contention is just plain wrong.

MichaelSinclair
MichaelSinclair

Do tell how many hours you realistically worked to make your $80,000. And I mean the real #'s not the hours you logged.

Cliff Downing
Cliff Downing

@MichaelSinclair What difference does it make?   I make a good living, I am not complaining, I am by the house a couple of times a week and off on weekends/holidays, I take 3-4 weeks off a  year, I rarely drive at night, I stop when I want, move when I want, no one tells me how to do my job.  Hours put in on the job  only have meaning when one is miserable at what they do.  Considering that most of hours driving, I am listening to podcasts and other stuff that I like, am working up the next project in my head to do at home when I get there, etc, this is pretty easy money.   When I am sitting at a customer, I am usually on the laptop getting my spreadsheets updated, checking the emails, etc.  And if I get held up at a customer, that's ok.... $38 an hour after the first 2.    I made $1500 in one month, several months ago, just is sitting, And from only 2 customers / 3 occurrences.  The whole time I slept, got something to eat, took a walk, and did some online with the laptop.  Boy, that was hard work right there.   Should have demanded more than $38 an hour.

YoteAnders
YoteAnders

@Cliff Downing @MichaelSinclair  yes in 92' 17 to 23 cpm was the norm for a company driver. Schneider starts drivers at 29 cpm today! - that doesn't sound like keeping up with inflation! Most of the carriers that hire new drivers starve them, or get them in lease/purchase agreements that rob them. you have the advantage of being in the industry long enough, and having gone thru your learning curves when they weren't deadly. Back in the late 80's my trucks got $1 a mile or better. Today i hear drivers talking about the carriers they are leased to paying them 90cpm!!! I'm glad you are doing well - you are not the rule in this industry, you are the exception! you certainly are not representative of people who are just getting started out here. Why would anyone choose to do this job? Some of us just love being out here! many people are not temperamentally suited to sit behind a desk, and america has shipped out most of the good paying jobs that allow people to work independently and make a respectable living. Trucking is not a job, it's a lifestyle. Some can't find any other job and get pushed into it (they don't last) Wanting to be Micro managed is absolutely NOT the reason anyone comes out here today.

Cliff Downing
Cliff Downing

Tim Brady is right on the need to have some speed available in the event of a steer tire blowout.  I participated in a testing situation that proved that back in the late 80's.  And I can personally attest out in the "real world" it is critical to not be on any governor if it were to happen.  By having spare power in reserve, a steer tire blowout is much better handled.


I have no clue how fast my truck will run, I have had it up to 85 one time, and I still was not in top gear.  That is what having an 18 speed in front of 2.64 diffs will do.  But that being said, I typically run around 62 in 16th (direct drive).  I like not having to fill up so often and getting very long life out of my tires.   And I schedule my loads so that I don't need to try and get pole position at Daytona to deliver them on time.  If I need to "put a wiggle in it" to overcome some moron truck truck wanting to play games, I can.  But I just never had all that "need for speed" like some do.  I have been running around 60-62 mph since the early 80's and haven't felt a real need to change. I really think it is stupid for everyone to be choked down to that level.  I could care less how fast everyone else drives.  I have other things to worry about than if someone else wants to do 80.

LynnRhoades
LynnRhoades

My truck has a speed limiter, me, my right foot and a speed limit sign control the speed of my truck. Yes, I run the posted speed. I have no need to exceed the posted speed. If the politicians want to improve accident rates take texting out of phones! I am sick of seeing cars and motorcycles driving down the highways, not a clue what speed they are going, what lane they are in, or if there is another vehicle around them, but they are texting 60 words per minute!

Rayzer2368
Rayzer2368

All you guys talking about the old days and how fast you drove; been there, done that. But you also need to remember how many more cars are on the road today than there used to be. Used to be a time where there was only one car in a family, hell now everybody and even the family dog has a car. Then in a big majority of those cars are inexperienced teenagers all wielding cellphones and not paying attention. Now mix that with these guys hauling ass down the road at 75-80 mph with a heavy load and bad things start to go wrong. Next thing you know, people are tired of sitting in backups due to some cowboy not knowing when to tote that ass and when to reel it in. Then, from those people that were stuck in those backups, we get speed limiters, e-Logs, and those stupid driver facing cameras jammed down our throats, and God only knows what's next.

Jpearson
Jpearson

Remember safe and sane?  That used to be the speed limit.. In many western states.. Then they lowered the speed limit to 55..and if you think there is a problem with tired truckers.. Do 55 or 60all day long.. You feel like you didnt get any place and your attention is not on driving down the road... These college educaded idiots think that trucks go to fast.. And are dangerous.. There were groups that tried to tell us that the roadways would be covered with blood when they raised the limit from 55..funny thing... Accidents went down.. Less people were hurt or were killed.. Most of you dont know what its like to drive a truck on two lane roads or passing vehicles on two lanes.. Especially being 105ft long pulling trains.. Go ahead and put speed limiters on trucks.. And i will guarantee  that the fatalities will go up.. When you pass a slow vehicle on a two lane it can take quite a distance.. If you cant speed up to get around.. Good chance you will have to fall behind that slow vehicle.. Then you will be back in the same position you were in.. Think you can follow a RV  or a car doing 50 because they are on vacation.. And think you are also.. We already have speed limiters.. Its called a SPEED LIMIT. and each state sets those speed limiters.. Its called THE POLICE.. some states treat you like children with their 55..and some think you are an adult and let you do 75 or 80if you want... On freeways i normaly drive 68..on two lane 70..here one person was talking about blow outs.. I didnt know they had tube tires any more.. Now lets talk about single vehicle roll overs.. They are where a single vehicle leaves the road and rolls over.. Most are fatal.. HUH?  Your tired.. Fall asleep.. With the crown of the road,  end up on the shoulder... Wake up.. Jerk the wheel to get back on the road.. Over correct.. And the vehicle is starting to go sideways down the highway.. And to the left.. Hits the  inside shoulder in a sideways motion.you try to correct.. To late.. . Rolls..you end up in the middle of the highway..  Happens to cars and trucks.. From not being attentive.. Funny thing.. That goes down when you can go at a speed that has your total attention.. 

countryblues
countryblues

I have 29 years over the road and had a truck willing to do 128 miles an hour 70-80 was my cruising zone no accidents or tickets but I haven't drove sence 2008 after i got crushed by a 8000 pound MRI Medical machine I tryed in 2011 to go back trucking and seems company's govern there trucks for say for rookies coming out of truck driving school per insurance companies well 29 years and company tells me they would hire me right now insurance companies suck they tell the companies what to do and set there truck speeds