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Speed limiters not ‘worth the hassle': More voices on potential mandate

| August 29, 2014

Va.-based operator Joey Slaughter — following his input on the speed-limiter issue in Overdrive‘s last round-up of reader views on the subject of what is increasingly looking like an eventual mandate that could also include retrofitting older trucks, not just new trucks — dug a little further into the background of what few studies exist that attempt to show whether or not speed limiter use has any effect on crash rates. 

It’s no secret the American Trucking Associations is in favor of mandating the devices across the industry. While Slaughter’s piece on the Team Run Smart site is worth reading in total, here’s what he found from ATA’s own affiliated research organization, ATRI, and the Transportation Research Board with their looks at speed limiters: 

The studies were very thorough and concluded that there is reduction in speed-relevant crashes with trucks using speed limiters. However, I also learned some other interesting facts that ATA is not citing. [See full study at this link.] 
**Companies that DID NOT have speed limiters had an overall crash rate of 9.1 [per 100 trucks per year]
**Companies that DID have speed limiters had an overall crash rate of 11.2 [per 100 trucks per year]
**Speeding trucks are not a problem in the United States [emphasis Slaughter’s throughout]

Read more via this link, but suffice it to say that Slaughter’s takeaway from the studies is to more or less rule out the safety angle to explain ATA’s support of a speed-limiter mandate: “trade groups attempting to level the playing field,” as he wrote, and others have certainly echoed. (ATRI itself explained the difference in crash rates as not statistically significant.)

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A couple more voices came in over at the Overdrive’s Trucking Pro LinkedIn group following news that Ontario would hear an appeal of a challenge to that Canadian province’s own speed limiter mandate, and a lively discussion remains ongoing under this linked Voices round-up on the issue from two weeks back.  

Via LinkedIn
Michael Goodman: “This fiasco in Ontario has been a huge failure from the start. It was poorly thought out and has been a burden for both Canadian carriers as well as U.S. carriers who cross the northern border. I have a friend who used to cross the border. He had to reprogram his ECM every time he crossed the border. For he and many others it came to the point of simply not being worth it anymore. We used to service Canada. It isn’t worth the hassle. Some of the major ATA members have been pushing for speed limiters in the U.S. for several years. It hasn’t worked well in Canada and won’t do well in the U.S. … Forcing speed limiters will make roads less safe and be another unnecessary cost to the millions of truck owners in the United States. I hope the speed limiter law in Canada is thrown out.”

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Jim Stewart: “One of the most incredibly stupid ideas that government has mandated north of the border. Truckers here in the states had better wake up soon and band together to stop this dead before our lawmakers get a chance to agree on anything this foolish.”

Given FMCSA/NHTSA’s already got a speed-limiter rule on their timetable, however, that means they think those lawmakers aren’t necessary at this point for them to go forward. They could be persuaded via legislation from those lawmakers to halt work on it, all the same. Got a phone handy? 

  • Mike Smith

    CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL. We have been & are turning into a communist type of country. But, instead of being controlled directly by a government communist party, we are controlled by a quasi corporate/government democratic/communist party for which there appears to be no name for yet. We are no longer and Democratic/Republic society. A society by the citizens for the citizens.

  • easymoney

    10/4 mike. its control an money talks bull shit walks
    any one who thinks not well their as much a ASS hole as the jerks in DC. The cops with their strong
    arm tactics. the next thing you’ll see is these ISIS
    sneaking in when everybody is busy controlling
    the trucking industry. an crowd control. not seeing
    the next planned attack, again right under our noses
    again like all the other attacks on this country
    sorry for the preaching. this country is so backwards
    we deserve what we get.

  • jojo

    Let Your Voice Be Heard

    “… that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”
    Abraham Lincoln, the Gettysburg Address, 1863

    The Safety Alliances and the ATA are demanding that the FMCSA control US as if WE Were ALL IRRESPONSIBLE And DANGEROUS!

    How can We Drivers Blame the government when WE are not telling Our elected officials of the Hazards and Conditions We face daily? We need common sense rules that give us flexibility!

    A registered Voter has The Power to hire and fire those who work for US! A registered Voter has a Voice THAT is Listened To!

    ELD’s, Speed Limiters, Unrealistic H.O.S., Unjust CSA rules, Parking Shortages, DOT Physicals, Sleep Apnea, Insurance Increases and Low Drivers Wages affect us all and need to be realistically addressed.

    Three Ways to Send a Message
    1. Inform your Carrier that you will be taking off at least 3 days during the week of 10/31 thru 11/7. By doing this, You have just told your carrier, the ATA and the shippers/receivers that things need to Change.
    2. You, Your Family and Friends NEED to Call Your elected officials in DC.
    Inform them of your issues at 202-224-3121. It’s EASY and FAST!
    3. Go Home To VOTE! Federal Election Day is 11/4/14.

    As for ME, I’m Going Home 10/31 thru 11/7. I’M MAKING SURE THAT MY VOICE IS GOING TO BE HEARD!!!
    Pat Hockaday jojo859585@gmail.com

  • Mike Smith

    It doesn’t matter how you vote.

    A registered voter has little or no power. It is an ILLUSION.

    I don’t mean to suggest we not vote, I just did. We have to keep trying until…….

    Are representatives are bought and paid for by the businesses & corporations!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Only after we face the truth, will something serious be done to stop the corruption and madness.

  • R Bunch

    I hate to say it, but good ol’ Abe birthed big strong arm government… and all it’s consequences.

  • Mind Games

    Go to OpenSecrets.org and find out which one of your elected officials are on the take and vote them out of office.
    Follow the money and destroy the corruption and take your country back!
    To hell with party ideology vote the SOB’S out before you have a camera in your bunk!!!
    These people are not playing they are dead serious!

  • jimt

    NO SIR. this is not correct. you and I and all AMERICANS have a vote. we must vote these punks out! it starts city ay city county by county state by state. WE can stop this. but it takes the work we should have been doing years ago! have a nice day sir.

  • jimt

    thank you jojo…you are so right!

  • jimt

    glad someome has a pair…never back down when your in the right easymoney or any other AMERICAN!!!

  • Mike Smith

    You just may not have enough experience yet.

    Our reps do what the businesses and corps WANT them to do, after they have been voted in.

    Voting is an illusion, a delusion, Trompe-l’œil.

  • jojo

    Are you saying that the plutocratic system that is slowly taking over is preferable to a government of the people, by the people, For the People?
    I for one, do not believe that the corporations are people too. Nor do I believe that these “corporate people” know what is best for the rest of US.
    Are “We The People” to just stand aside while the plutocrats vie to be the american oligarch?
    Many have given everything so that we may enjoy the liberties and rights bestowed upon us.
    Those that choose not to Vote have Voted!!!

  • Hellbent706

    The word “safety” is just a tool lawmakers use to get their laws passed because they recognize that most people will believe anything if you attach the word “safety” to it. Speed limiters don’t save lives. It just changes the cause of death from speed related to slow speed related. Speed can actually save lives by letting you get out of harms way and create some distance between you and the idiots. How many accidents are caused by merging into traffic 25mph slower than the flow of traffic? Why is hindering traffic illegal anyway? Because it causes accidents! Why would you make a truck go slower than the flow of traffic, then make a law that will force you to hinder traffic? Is that a oxymoron or what? I’m an owner-operator and my truck moves with the traffic not against it and the only accidents we’ve ever had were people rear-ending us at a red light. Still, it’s more likely to get rear-ended if you’re traveling 25mph slower than everyone else and much harder to rear-end someone traveling at the same speed limit. Have you ever seen a couple of speed-limited trucks try to pass each other at 55 on a 70mph hwy? The result is traffic backed up for miles and an increase in road-rage accidents and people start passing on the shoulder! The same people who approve speed-limited trucks will be the first to complain when they get boxed in behind one.

  • jojo

    Agreed, to hell with party ideology! I eat, sleep and drink OTR Trucking and I’m voting for those that represent my best interest.
    The FMCSA is over reaching in their attempts to save us all thru regulation.
    The ATA petitioned the use of speed limiters as all of their trucks are already speed limited. I Wonder WHY????

  • Paladin

    Not to mention the numerous studies that show for a FACT that split speeds cause more crashes than faster speeds. Notice that TX,OH,IL have since ditched split speed limits.
    Speed limiters would cause more crashes due to the disparity in speeds driven by CMV and other traffic on the road

  • Al Clark

    I’m seriously considering a law suit to stop the attacks by our government on the trucking industry. We are under attack and it’s become almost impossible to make a profit.

  • Okey Dokey

    If Obama lauches world war 3 before the next presidential election he can theoretically attempt to cancel the election due to extreme national emergency. Then he would be free to go full throttle with his true agenda of crushing our God fearing country and raising his Muslim flag on the White House. Sound completely crazy? That’s what everyone said about everything he has done so far! That’s why the main stream media never honestly reports on what is happening. If they did, I believe the majority of America would have already chased him and his mob out of office. I fear we haven’t begun to see him rear his ugly head yet. Better get right with God!

  • Born

    Strike. Shutdown. Diesel flu. Whatever you want to call it. Its time to start seriously talking about it.

  • Richie C

    I think speed limiteres are very important…Trucks commonly do an average of 900 mph….of course thats only limited when tires explode…brakes burn up…but 900 mph should be limited to 63 mph….so that two and three trucks abrest can be the norm on all american highways. OHH lets roadside check those pill popping truckers….while we are at at. ( in the mean time…….they will work cheap…..accept 6 hour unloads for 22 pallets….and anyone anywhee should have the right to get a trucker fired….of course)

  • USMC 69/75

    Not just the trucking industry, but the whole darn country. We are only one of the many avenues they are destroying with more regulation, for safety sake. Less government, more power BACK to the people.
    I don’t need a baby sitter, DO YOU?

  • USMC 69/75

    Now they have stupid texters to add to the mix. How much ground is covered at 70 to 75 MPH while you text “Hey dude” to your bud, or some bimbo texts, “I Luv U” to her honey, while her baby is in the back car seat? While some truck is LIMITED to 55 mph in front of them? Where is that silly little thing we use to call “Common Sense”?

  • USMC 69/75

    I’ve been talking about it since 83, no spine left in the American Trucker! Oh! Let’s not forget the “taft law” forbidding us not to…… That’s what it is all about, to big a government, and to weak kneed drivers! Stick the taft, e logs, limiters and the hos as it stands now, and shove them, not to mention the fuel taxes we pay, on top of the 2290, several thousand $’s in IRP plates, property taxes on our equipment, FET on tires, then a disposal besides, and the list goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, tell me when to stop, and on, and on, and on…..you know the game!

  • rc1234

    How about just saying no ? All it would take is a few large companies saying no to this b.s. and it would end. But they won’t, unfortunately because no one wants to be first to do what is right. Keep the gov’t out of my business! The new breed doesn’t know any different, but there were times when the gov’t wasn’t telling people what to eat, wear, drive,when to sleep,when to work,how to dress,etc……

  • guest

    ATA is owned by Mega Fleet MONEY. Obviously THEY vote for this stupid speed limiter..to “MAKE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD”(communism)….ATA is Helping to drive O/Operators out of trucking so their CLIENTS..mega Fleets will take OVER. Should be obvious to everyone??

  • guest

    Yep trucking is no longer Free Enterprise Capitalism…it is MORE a regulated Utility…dominated by Regulation Happy giant companies determined to drive all independents OUT of the industry..similar to the FOOD business..today DOMINATED by GIANT Food Stores..no more ma and pa companies..ATA is a TOOL to get this job done.

  • guest

    It is purdy funny when 2 speed limiter trucks try to pass each other…the LIGHTER truck gains ground on small hills..but the “RACE” goes on for miles…till the “faster” truck FINALLY passes the other SNAIL.

  • guest

    Insurance companies will offer discounts for using “Speed Limiters”,
    E Logs, and the Camera Pointed In Your Face…..all this will be Common equipment very soon…..enjoy!

  • guest

    Shippers dont want a “WILDMAN” hauling their precious freight at no 72 miles per hour!! Damn! They want obediant foreigners hauling at 60MPH and for CHEAP!!!! lol

  • helmethead

    The speed limiters will see more undercarriage accidents go ahead and put speed limiters in these trucks and you will see increased accidents and more bottled up traffic it is pure hell now trying to get around a Prime Truck doing 58 with a Schneider truck doing 62.traffic is usually backed up for a mile in the left lane.Another problem is trying to get these speed limited trucks to stay in the right lane. They don’t believe slower traffic needs to keep right as they block up Traffic for miles with their foot on the dash and their cruise set at max speed of 62 mph. while everyone else is trying to do the speed limit as posted by the state.

  • Jack Simon

    At the ratifying convention in Virginia Patrick Henry stood up on June 5, 1788 and gave a speach. Here is part of it that may interest you ” Have they made a proposal of a compact between states? If they had, this would be a confederation. It is otherwise most clearly a consolidated government. The question turns, sir, on that poor little thing — the expression, We, the people, instead of the states, of America. I need not take much pains to show that the principles of this system are extremely pernicious, impolitic, and dangerous. Is this a monarchy, like England — a compact between prince and people, with checks on the former to secure the liberty of the latter? Is this a confederacy, like Holland — an association of a number of independent states, each of which retains its individual sovereignty? It is not a democracy, wherein the people retain all their rights securely. Had these principles been adhered to, we should not have been brought to this alarming transition, from a confederacy to a consolidated government. We have no detail of these great considerations, which, in my opinion, ought to have abounded before we should recur to a government of this kind. Here is a revolution as radical as that which separated us from Great Britain. It is radical in this transition; our rights and privileges are endangered, and the sovereignty of the states will be relinquished: and cannot we plainly see that this is actually the case?”

    Mr Henry predicted the future and we are living in it. There is not and never was any guarantee that the thing would hold together and it has not.

  • sthomas1957

    The only ones who need speed limiters are the big fleets, because they have a high percentage of drivers with only 1-2 years experience. Of course they want to slow those rascals down. It makes sense for their safety record to do so. At the same time, however, they also want to slow everyone else down, even if it’s isn’t necessary from a safety standpoint, because they don’t want the competition sailing by them down the highway and making their deliveries on time. It’s their fault: If they paid their drivers more money, they’d be able to keep their drivers for longer than a year or two and thus not have to slow down their trucks more than the others. They choose not to pay their drivers more money, preferring instead that their shareholders enjoy record payouts for the trucking industry. Who’s shedding any tears for them?

  • yogi

    well said

  • yogi

    finaly another person thats see,s the ughly snake at the white house

  • jojo

    The large companies make up the ATA, the same ATA that is begging for speed limiters And ELD’s.

  • jojo

    Thank You Jack! I need to study this a little to fully appreciate the content and context.
    I believe Patrick Henry is questioning the form of government that is to allow for the sovereignty of the states.
    What it was then and what it is turning into today is obviously a never ending battle!
    I’m afraid that We The People are not to concerned about what may be coming our way. We need to let our voices be heard, one way or another!
    I’m going Home the week of 10/31 thru 11/7. Might be a good time for those who want to shut down or strike to do so, as I hope that many of us will be taking a week off to fulfill our civic duties.

  • jason

    I saw a big fleet driver get rear ended in UT by a RV in an 80 mph speed zone. The trk’s in this fleet are generally limited to 65 or so. RV driver said he didn’t realize trk was going so slow. Looked down and rest is history. I especially like it when 2 big road slugs want to race on a 2 lane hwy and Damn near run oncoming traffic off the road. You know the cb conversation “come on you slow poke so and so your doing 63 in a 65 and my trk will run 66 your holding me up I got to go ” then the never ending drag race ensues. Never have I or will I drive a speed limited trk even if it does become law. I not a speed demon but its a hell of a lot safer to just mash that go peddle and get around a road slug in a timely fashion or get away from a bunch of road slugs. They seem to bunch up. I’ve been burning up my Senators and Congressman phone line. Educating them the best I can. How about the
    rest of you?.

  • Kevin J. Reidy

    Your special business interests want to speed limit *my* truck?

    Sure.

    BUY IT FROM ME.

    You can then do what you want to *your* truck, leave the one that I bought with MY money alone.

  • Viki

    Yup, (1) routinely see same few company’s slow 60mph governord trucks SPEEDING thru 35-55mph construction zones & chop passing my rig 5Ft off nose.
    (2) Certain emergency AVOID maneuvers require acceleration capability. I can recall one sunny day 2003(?)being southbound I-95 in Maryland before corkscrew ultra short doughnut ramps with apx zero on – ramp lane were updated. And rig I-95 N.(Werner)had apparent loss of control & laid rig across all 3 Northbound lanes & trailer tail toward jersey wall was in flames & there was obvious concern that entire rig wld engulf in flames & that fuel would ignite. My southbound rig approached parallel position as trailer was engulfing in flames. Floored it & those were the SLOWEST miles I EVer drove when was in that Swift truck governord under 60mph.
    Also, ?Hav you heard ?Lib’ media complaining about ‘social media’ misuse/abuse by liars/conns &Terrorists?
    ?Can you imagine losing these public forums?

  • htown trucker

    Im looking forward to putting a speed limiter on my truck. I cant wait to back traffic up for ten miles as i attempt to pass a prime truck on a two lane interstate. I just hope nobody important is behind me.

  • Mind Games

    Drivers fear not for I have woken a sleeping giant Owner Operators across our country have all said they will shut this country DOWN if this happens to become the law.
    I have spoken to many smaller trucking company owners who said the same thing.
    I have spoken to a few guys who have called for a violent reaction to the trucks owned by the largest trucking companies in the industry.
    A few have even mentioned that they have military training and have no problem taking the owners out to the woodshed.
    This is a clear case of fascism and these loyal patriots have said enough is enough they will not stand for it anymore!

  • Mind Games

    The government knows this and made a deal with a large owner operator company owners with a diamond on his trailer that if he fixed up his raggedy a++ trailers they would consider his request.

  • Mind Games

    Oh shut up!!! Damn you really are stupid! That’s the problem with us some of us are mindless parrots repeating extremist group talking points.

  • Mind Games

    They don’t care safety it’s about reining in control over everyone in this industry to prevent a strike.
    Some of you dingbats think Obama wants to take over the world it’s the opposite the corporations are taking over the world and Obama is giving them the keys to do it as long as they play by the rules.
    The boxes you guys mention work off of cell phone towers thus they can listen in on our conversations.
    This is our last stand do we fight big brother or pay down like a damn dog?!?!?!
    Only a real man can answer this question, what is a man???
    A man stands up for what he believes in will die for what he believes in and will kill for what he believes in.

  • smokinjo

    They use ” safety” as a way to get by with it and I see it the other way. It will make the roads more dangerous, these states with split speed limits are stupid. Cars speed around the trucks like nobody’s business now cause they can its legal. I get passed on the right all the time while trying to move over. IF IT WAS TRULY ABOUT SAFETY THEY WOULD PUT US ALL AT THE SAME SPEED LIMIT. and leave it alone……

  • mousekiller

    Every time he speaks he lie. Every executive order is one more nail in the life of our constitution. His actions speak louder than anything he can say. He is responsible for Lost American lives by INACTION. Until you have wore the uniform and get old enough to see the truth please be silent as you show your lack of real world understanding

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