Carrier survey shows temperature heating up on detention negotiation

| January 02, 2014
Detention
This Overdrive poll ran with the October “Attention to detention” feature in two parts. Follow this link for the first part.

The Transport Capital Partners group’s fourth-quarter industry survey showed 43 percent of carriers large and small felt they would be able to renegotiate detention in contracts with customers. As Overdrive reported in the October report on detention — particularly focused on how carriers treat it — negotiation of detention rates often results in productivity gains for both drivers and carriers.

As the TCP organization put it, “while renegotiating detention times does not necessarily raise cash, it can make equipment more productive.”  

Click through the image for a full-size version of Transport Capital Partners' graph of their most recent quarterly survey results relative to accessorials. Follow this link here for full survey results.
Click through the image for a full-size version of Transport Capital Partners’ graph of their most recent quarterly survey results relative to accessorials. Follow this link here for full quarterly survey results.

However, the organization notes, on the whole as many carriers as are positive on detention continue to be somewhat negative on other accessorials in freight contracts — 42 percent of carriers surveyed this quarter indicated they do not expect to be able to renegotiate. Over the last two years, the number of carriers able to raise fuel surcharges has dropped from 30 percent to 11 percent, for instance, and pessimism about accessorials is greater among smaller carriers than the larger carriers (50 percent vs. 38 percent, respectively).

Approximately 30 percent of larger carriers think they will be able to renegotiate miles paid (i.e., move from shortest route to practical route), TCP reported. This change – were it to materialize — would have a significant impact on revenues (and driver pay), even with stagnant rates.

  • lastgoodusername

    This is the way it should be. company to company. NO federal mandate or involvement. if you cannot negotiate with your customer and the detention is too long , move on and let someone else park their trucks there. after a while of trucks getting harder and harder for a shipper to come by , they will sort out their problems.

  • Tom T

    Yes. That is what I thought 33 years ago when they de-regulated transportation. You see where we are now? Every driver in the U.S. thought the same when the CDL came out. You see how easy it is to get around that now.
    Rates are the same now, allowing for inflation, as they were in the seventies. Now that is not a bad thing if your a holding company or a derivative or investment group that wants nothing more than to run the stock up, clean cash off the table and sell it cheap to another group. Yea, they will sort out the problems and between them and government lobbyists, they can dominate and crush the competition and the small outfit with it. How about 6 months of free freight for a seven year contract. Would you take it? If the volume is great enough, there are some that will offer it.

  • JR

    Who else will haul the freight if the Carriers insist on renegotiations of detention time?

  • James Deboard

    Detention pay for the drivers has always been a problem.Most Companies that receive it just pay a small amount to the driver ($10 – $12) per hr and most have a 5 hr maximum.The companies may be receiving $120.00 an hr but shorten the drivers pay to pad the companies bottom line.The trucking companies are as dishonest as the shippers & receivers.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    @lastgoodusername, No! We have already discussed this trucking companies could care less about detention pay because they do not pay it over to the drivers everyone knows that who do you drive for I would like to know see their so-called “detention” policy. The trucking companies believe that they should not pay detention (why?) unless it is collected from customer but they keep sending drivers back to the same customers sitting for hours. It is high time for a new approach let us keep it simple trucking companies lie and say drivers earn approximately $20 per hours great an OTR’s minimum paycheck by federal law is $1,400 per week I bet you would do not make $1,400 although you are against a federal mandate. On the other hand the trucking companies have obtained both a federal and state mandate exempting them from the minimum wage laws, which is why they can pay $200 week. In summary, TIME IS MONEY!

  • Del Ray Johnson

    Excuse me but as stated below your numbers show that drivers are paid less than the federal and state minimum wage of $7.25 so a driver who has been in the industry for the pass 20+ years needs to explain how did this happen? Why do drivers by both federal and state laws earn less than the prevailing minimum wage of $7.25? And what is the SOLUTION for the OTR sitting not being paid making less money than a high school kid working at McD? It is time to raise the level of conversation on this topic!

  • Mike Cox

    first of all we are all forgetting the law how can you say that drivers should not get paid for detention the customer on each end should be allowed one hour to get the truck unloaded and loaded after that they should be paying $75 $100 per hour after this would make the workers more productive in loading and unloading the truck this rate is very fair to the owner operators and the drivers of the trucks the government says a worker should get paid for every hour that they work so how do the shippers and the consignee’s justify any hours free instead of DOT and the Federal Highway administration running behind the carriers and owner operators they should be making sure that the shippers and the receivers are doing their part especially when it comes to food warehouse our job is to get the freight. Safely from point a to point B why should we have to pay and wait until their workers unload our trucks and breakdowns of freight they should order the freight the way they want to receive it that way all you have to do is put off the truck and is no breakdowns The pallets and check the seal that to drive a go on to his next destination it is a shortage or overage or wrong items ship the receiver should take it up with the shipper the carriers and the drivers always get caught up in the middle this is not fear to them

  • Del Ray Johnson

    @Mike, I am done with this topic my only comment and it is not an attack on you TIME IS MONEY who said the customer gets 1-2 hours my time for free on the load and unload before detention kicks in we are all aware even then carriers still do not want to pay detention or it is something ridiculous like $25 for 8 hours at the end of the day utter nonsense! This is because like the Duck Commander would say drivers are happeee to just have a job ?

  • Vrahnos

    If you look trucking is exemption for all labor laws.Has been for many many years.We put in far mores of service work than anybody else out there.Only the hourly drivers come out ahead and when was the last time you saw an hourly pay trucking job.When I retired I was making .39 per mile and running all the hours I could in a weeks time.After taxes I still had $32,000 in my pocket.Was enough for me to live s good life on.

  • James Deboard

    One reason for these kind of problems in the trucking industry is that drivers are considered as un-skilled labor,they do not fall under most labor laws in this country,thus the companies,shipper & receivers take advantage of the drivers. I changed jobs 2 times my last 2 years driving.after being an owner op for 7 years and driving for a company for nearly 10 years.I started asking before I would accept a job what there detention policy was. You would be surprised at the number of companies that pay nothing… I would bet they collect it.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    I have my own detention policy although most drivers sit around complaining and then let companies send them right back to the same shipper nonsense. It is very simple you do not pay detention great so after 1 hour at the shipper I am leaving on going to the truck stop for a shower and coffee. If dispatch does not have me another load, then qualcom for hometime or drop your truck off I am not arguing nor playing games with people who are not paying me and my f-r-e-e time will be spent at home with my kids end of story! As I have stated over and over this is a business we should treat it as such just like the company.

  • James Deboard

    I Agree with you 100% Del Ray,Thats 1 reason why I retired in 04/2012. I am just stating the facts & Most drivers are not like you or I,They let the companies walk all over them while being paid less than minimum wage(If you figured all the time away from home) Yet these people will hire on with a company that they know is going to screw them on there pay & detention time & other benefits. Until drivers start refusing the low pay rates & Benefits that go along with being a Company driver,things will never change,

  • Kendall Oakleaf

    Stand up for your rights quit working or hauling for all of these cheap no good crooks get smart and educate yourself about the trucking industry learn more and become independent not a owner operator leased to sum scumbag constantly ripping you off. Then you can make your own rules charge what you want and make the money you should be making you will never have a life or get rich working for somebody or under somebody this industry has been flooded with uneducated people in the past 5 to 7 years not knowing what a driver should be paid and what if fair. These companies put new guys in these brand new trucks with brand new trailers to make them feel good about themselves while all along they are paying 25 to 35cpm and raking in 2 to 5 dollars or even more per mile they DO NOT care about you or your families nor you well being placing dash cameras in trucks eobr’s that is the biggest BS fleecing of drivers if hey don’t trust you they shouldn’t hire you. I am independent and would NEVER work for a company or lease to one either I would leave the trucking industry.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    @James you know that is true. Man you should not have retired get your own truck and go with good outfit. There is money to be made do not think trucking companies aren’t making money they are just not paying company drivers anything $32,000 a year please!

  • Del Ray Johnson

    @Kendall you are absolutely correct!

  • haller

    Why would a smart person pay a truck driver for doing their job????

  • Del Ray Johnson

    I do not know why do not you ask the customer why are they paying the trucking company for a “truck driver for doing their job????” Maybe since there are unanswered ???? we should park all the trucks and ask why would a “smart: person drive a truck they do not own????”

  • Del Ray Johnson

    @Vrahnos first of all I have stated that trucking is exempt from the federal and state minimum wage laws, which is UNACCEPTABLE the NEW minimum wage for an OTR should be approximately $25 per hour indexed for inflation with no exceptions you should have understood that from my comments. Next, $32,000 in your “pocket” is a joke you can get a job at home for that and have sex with your girl every night not 70 hours a week in the truck stop. Are you serious? This is why I have also said you guys need a corrupt union to represent you at $32,000. I mean are you serious a per diem of $50 per day at 300 days is $15,000 !

  • Vrahnos

    Boy a newbe for sure.One that is 80 hours driving and 34 in the truckstop when I retired.Thee gross income was closer to 50.000 per year but there is taxes to pay and other expences to pay for when out on the road.So 32,000 in 2009 when I retired wasn’t that bad.I also ran under the old hour of service as well.30 years a truckdriver I was.I figure you don’t know what real work is anyway.You see when I read what you have posted you only been driving for a year or so for a big fleet like J.B.Hunt or some one like that.That is if you are a real trucker at all.

  • Dave Nichols

    It ssems that the trucking industry is advertising for drivers and OO’s very heavily. When you apply they present a canned contract which mostly favors themselves. This in not in your interest to accept. You have a right and duty to negotiate or modify these contracts, put in writing what yo will and will not accept. have it reveiwed by your legal rep or attorny and then signed and witnessed.
    You as drivers are becoming a marketable and skilled commodity and not easily replaced. Take advantage now!

  • Thomas Blake

    I own my own company, have for 15 years, show me 5 dollar a mile freight that is not over sized. most freight is averaging 1.4 – 2.2 per mile depending on van, refer, flat. then take out fuel, truck and trailer cost, insurance ,permits,work comp, repairs,. heavy use tax. toll’s, scales. not to mention the overhead of an office, and the people that keep you moving. Start your own company with your mentality and soo how long you last.

  • Thomas Blake

    Vrahnos, you hit the nail on the head, when I started driver pay was .15-.18 per mile for a new driver. I have seen increased over the years, paid my house off, sent my kids to school without student loans. but I did my job paid my time did not think I was making someone else rich, but realized the more I could earn the more they would earn, and some of that was passed down in bonus or extra money put in 401K, Del Ray needs to get a clue.

  • Kendall Oakleaf

    Been in business for 8 1/2 yrs last year i did $188,037.35 on 39437 miles avg 4.76 per mile and ONLY run Florida. I run very little oversize I own a 48 flat. So I wouldn’t say it can’t be done. I WILL NOT run cheap freight I will sit at home and screw off or go fishing.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    You are delusional and watch too much Fox TV here is your approach when you have no facts or are incorrect ATTACK the other guy who is speaking so instead of being embarrassed at suggesting $32,000 in your “pocket” is great money you cast me off as a “newbie.” I have read your other posts where you stated that you hung up your keys as an O/O because it was too hard to be what ???? a company driver for a big fleet like J.B. Hunt maybe you should go back and review my comments. It is obvious to me that you are the problem in this industry the working poor so Be Safe. . .

  • Del Ray Johnson

    Tom always that I am an ole timer nonsense back when we made .15-.18 what a joke you need to get a clue when was the last time a company actually paid a fuel bonus nonsense ! We are making great money are you serious you should be embarrassed as well with age should come wisdom not child like nonsense. As I have stated each and every driver should earn a minimum by federal law of of $81,250 please since I do not have a “clue” post exactly what company you work for that its company drivers make over $81,250 otherwise shut up with your nonsense.

  • Thomas Blake

    I have a Short haul account that is Simular, last year we ran 169,000 miles in MO only rev was 444600, but the load time is still 1-2 hours..

    I don’t haul; cheap freight, but you cannot out price the industry either. My drivers are home every weekend and at least 2 week nights. with good pay, insurance, and retirement . You are doing nich service, I have some of the same. but all in all the average over the road freight is as I stated before.

  • Thomas Blake

    I believe you are reading the wrong persons post. I now own my own company, because of how I drove for someone else. type in my name in the overdrive search bar, and read the interviews. @ Toss Dills, i guess I am still stirring people up.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    Great at the company your previously drove for sent I do not have a “clue” did the drivers earn over $81,250 per year is my question? You agreed with Vrahnos but 120,000 per miles per year the max at $.39 CPM is only $46,800 gross no detention since I am a “newbie” please explain ????

  • Thomas Blake

    I don’t need to argue with you. Buy a truck and trailer, get your own authority, pay your Gen Liability insurance, Cargo insurance, and every thing else. and then see how much money who you work for was really making off of you. I have never worked for a big carrier.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    No kidding thank you but I would prefer not to take advice from people like you. I mean you are talking “averaging 1.4 – 2.2 per mile” there is “confusion” about your screen name and other nonsense. Not me since guys like you in the industry who own companies, broker freight, etc. do not know what the heck they are doing DEL RAY’S proposal is that no freight moves for less than $3 per mile stated VERBATIM: ” Like I said the federal minimum since you guys can’t run a business in the “market” place is 125% of DOE fuel prices, which is appx $3+CPM NO EXCEPTIONS.” So what “trouble” are you stirring up except for nonsense not making us any money useless criticism!

  • Thomas Blake

    Obviously you have not looked me up. or read the articles in Overdrive. I run computers in my truck to see how much wait time we have, i have quit hauling for a customer that would not speed up loading or pay detention,that was over 500,000 per year . We run 100% legal and wish that everyone else would so the freight rates would increase. So before you try to through figures out the do your home work. look up Todd’s article on detention, and onboard recorders and see what I have said. I own my company, I know what it takes to make a profit, and how much is left after everything is paid. I have my own customers. I do not broker loads or take brokered loads. if you really want to fix the problem instead of spouting off driver wages that would not keep a company going. Stop everyone from exceeding hours of service. No carrier can force you to run illegal. If they do blow the whisle. That is how you get freight rates up and driver pay.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    Really? Did you NOT say on this post above the following:

    “Vrahnos, you hit the nail on the head, when I started driver pay was .15-.18 per mile for a new driver. I have seen increased over the years, paid my house off, sent my kids to school without student loans. but I did my job paid my time did not think I was making someone else rich, but realized the more I could earn the more they would earn, and some of that was passed down in bonus or extra money put in 401K, Del Ray needs to get a clue.”

    I question whether you as a business owner understand inflation as Tom T points out also on this post above the rates of .15-.18 CPM you brag about are the same as the 1970’s what Tom T stated:

    “Rates are the same now, allowing for inflation, as they were in the seventies. Now that is not a bad thing if your a holding company or a derivative or investment group that wants nothing more than to run the stock up, clean cash off the table and sell it cheap to another group.”

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT TOM T IS SAYING ON THIS POST? If housing, tuition, food, gas was approximately $.20, etc. in the 1970s, then how did you do that since we are making the same money since the 1970s nonsense. . .

  • Del Ray Johnson

    You are absolutely correct the rate of pay indexed for inflation since the 1970s should be approximately .65CPM in today’s dollar go figure but however when you take into account the detention time the net-effective rate is not .39CPM it is in the .25-.32 CPM range ridiculous!

  • Vrahnos

    Delray I am laughing my ass off at you right now.It is obivous you haven’t had much to do with trucking.With what you propose would do more to break the economeny than what D.C.can come up with.Shoot I would work for Tom T.in a heartbeat.He like me has been around a while.How many miles have you run?I can clam that over the years I have done over 6 millon miles hauling all kinds of freight,in all kinds of weather.Tom has done more than me I bet.Keep living in your dream world and be damned for you will never make it in trucking.Here is the part you need to understand,Folks like us aren’t in it just for the money,but also we love trucking and are willing to put up with more B.S.out there than you can believe and we still do it and by and large do a darn good job of it.That is something to be proud of.If you don’t have that you can never make as a truck driver in any way shape and form.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    Man you are stupid and need to shut up again if you reviewed by comments the PRICE OF DIESEL WENT UP and that did not break the economy you fool. I am more concerned about my own kids not whether Walmart continues to get cheap freight delivered by fools like you. As you have said on another post you hung up the keys as an O/O because like Thomas no concept of business and YOU NEVER ANSWERED THE Question at YOUR 0.39CPM in a perfect world of 120,000 miles annually without detention is $46,500. No way you “pocketed” $32,000 are the working poor a foolish company driver and if it were up to me you would not have a job go work at McD with the high school kids who “love” their jobs. America is built on capitalism which means everyone should maximize profits or productivity dummy. Side note your Fox news O’Really approach is to again insult the speaker because you have no facts to support “pocketing” $32,000 any REAL driver knows that was probably your gross pay for an 70 hour work week and Thomas’ is to act more important than the other guy i.e., telling me buy a tractor nonsense. Be safe . . .

  • Vrahnos

    Only 120000 miles in a year eh?Someone is being lazy.The last truck I drove was a 2006 freightliner and I first got behind the wheel of her she had 66,000 miles on her.When I parked her and retired she had 550,000 miles on it and I only worked that girl for two and a half years.I ran leagle and I worked all that I can even holidays.Also took runs that Calf.drivers were to dang chicken to do.I figger you are in that catigory.Being a single man I was able to do that and more as wellI didn’t make 46,500 it was closer to 55,000 a year I made.After paying taxes and food ect.the 32,000 is what I was left with for the year.That’s not to bad now.The conpany had good contracts and did pat detention pay when it came up.They would raise the price for hauling when the price of fuel went sky high and easn’t hurt because because when the price of fuel was rising the econimey tanked bad and that was 2008 right?You say that wall mart get a cheep rate and of course they do for they haul most of their freight themselves.Now I also hung up the keys as an owner operator in 1989 and went to work as a driver.I hauled flatbeds as an owner opp.and flatbeding is rather up an down as far as work goes.Clinton done us the favor whith his “roadless laws “that it shut down logging and sawmill all over the west.I hauled a lot of lumber and plywood with maxis at a gross weight of 105,500.Got a woping $1.09 per mile too pluse a tarping charge of $40 as well.Kept the wife and kids feed,clothed and housed in some comfert and the wife didn’t work a day in her life.So shut up about who is stuped,for you keep doing a good job of making yourself look that way.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    Your are a complete fool first and foremost you never answer a direct ???? just talk more nonsense you said raising a drivers pay indexed for inflation since the 1970s as Tom T clearly pointed out would crash the economy but again the economy has not crashed WHEN THE PRICE OF DIESEL WENT UP you fool. Next you say more numbers that are nonsense at this point I do not think you are really a driver SO BY THE NUMBERS your 550,000 miles in 2.5 years is 30 months 550,000 divided by 30 means you drove 18,333 miles each month or divided by 4 weeks 4583 a week and you were never detained on loading/unloading, and never awaited a load from dispatch. Are you serious do not tell me that was before Oregon’s speed was 55! Never argue with a fool . . .

  • Vrahnos

    Spoken like a true left wing Democrat.For in thing is to look at the time peroid I stated.The 1980 were not yesterday.Now explain to me how when desiel went from $190 and in less than three months after Oboma was in office that the fuel prise jumped to $5.50 per gallon and not effect trucking compainys bottom line?So what did they do?They raised rates on frieght just enough to cover the addishtional expenses.That means more had to be charged to coustemers all over the country and compound that with the raising cost of gas for every one else and what do you get?Folks have less to pay for the stuff they need and in a very short peirod of time.In a years the econmeny tanked so bad it was like the great deppresion all over again.You Democrates have done more harm than good and that is why when you call me an idiot and stupid and so on I just laugh my ass off.For what you want for drivers pay and working conditions you will be very luck to have a job in trucking.Also get some money managment skills and you will be supprised on how much you can buy at today’s prices.Oh buy the way the west coast may have the slowest truck speed limits but there are other states where the speed limit is the same as cares so depending on where you travel will determin how far you can go in a day.Understand old son that I was trained in the old school of trucking and know the ways of outlaw trucking as well.Anyone that has been around in this indrustry know and done things the old school way and we made it work for us with out getting into trouble with the law.Bet you can’t even understand how to go about that.Probely can’t dodge a scale house to save your soul, I bet

  • Del Ray Johnson

    You are a fool in a trucking hanging out in the truck stops the working poor. First and foremost, I guess no answer how a solo drive legally did over 193,000 mile in a year. BTW that 193,000 times your claim of $0.39 would have paid you appx $75,000 not $50K. But instead you once again attempt to attack the other guy so now I am a “right” wing democrat. I did not ask you who you voted for and could careless you SAID that if driver pay went up it would crash the economy that sounds to me like right wing democrat protectionism NOT FREE MARKET. THE PRICE OF DIESEL WENT UP and that did not crash the economy you fool so neither will an increase in driver pay! Again I would careless just like my creditors pay me, fyi gas prices went up under GWB with oil companies in his state reaping record profits “coincidence.” While fools like you want to treat the transportation industry similar to a high school social club because some fools love sitting in a truck in the truck stops making $400 +/-. I see why you hung up your keys as on O/O be safe . . .

  • Vrahnos

    Oh boy a “blame Bush for every thing guy”Who was pres. in 20008?Was it Bush or Obama?When did the housing market tank and people were losing their homes?Bush or Obama?Who did all the stimulis spending for “green jobs?Bush or Obama?I could go on and on.If you blame bush for any or all of that you need to go back to school.I was there when the price on everything up and that includes the federal reserve intrest hike..The price of fuel was a big factor in 2008 an 2009.So the one upmanship started with you saying that I don’t know what I’m talking about.Did you truly think I would just go away meekly?Sorry when you sound like Obama on so many things and want higher wages far above what the top paying companys are paying drivers,this is where you are wrong for you sound like a union shill.I hate unions with a passion.Damn leaches is all they are sucking the life out of so many compainys.So I will neddle you just as much as I can just to piss you off.So far it has not been hard to do cause you just don’t know what you are talking about.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    Can you read fool http://www.mercurynews.com/presidentelect/ci_21545019/trick-question-who-had-higher-gas-prices-obama once again incorrect indexed for inflation. The president has very little control over gas prices global forces are at play including the consumption by China, etc. Again you are not running this discussion we are NOT talking about prices the PRICE OF DIESEL WENT UP. So I have demanded the immediate increase in driver pay you have cried that it would crash the economy the PRICE OF DIESEL WENT UP and we should happy in love with “trucking” now fool you sound like just a fool not even Obama this that stupid!

  • Vrahnos

    O.k. then then lets talk about money and raising pay.What you propose is much like what some are calling for,higher mininum wage.They say they would to see it go to $15.00 an hour.Sounds pretty good until you realise what it will do to bussisness and the econimey.For example,you own a burger stand.You have a dream to employ as many as you can.Then you factore in the cost of labor and realise that you can’t do that and stay in bussisness so you look for folks that have experance and years of experance to work for you so you can keep costs down by not having to train people to work for you.Even with that the price of your product will be much higher than the competion and will most likely not work out to well.When I hear or read about a “we need more money through higher wages is almost always backed by union intrust and forced unionism.Now with what you say about driver pay will shut down the little guys like the high fuel prices did and we will be having only the big trucking companys still going with less operunity for a little guy to get in so he or she can put food on the table.By the way have you noticed how much your grocery bill has increased?Just a few years ago $200 would keep me nice and well fed.Now it takes almost $300 do do the same so how much are you willing to pay for groceries?Raising driver pay will certenly have an effect on that.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    Okay, I now apologize please explain to me the difference between the union and affirmative action? I sound pro-union and you sound like an OWNER of a trucking company they hate, fear the unions because the company wants the ability continue to SCREWING drivers due to people like You, Thomas Blake, and others! Next, you need to learn to make the correct distinctions the i.e., auto unions have forced companies to pay a high school graduate $75 per hour that is NOT what were are talking about if you were not so ARROGANT like ignoring Tom T’s comments on this Post drivers are RIGHTFULLY DEMANDING our pay to be adjusted for inflation which has not occurred since the 1970s! What do you not understand . . .

  • Vrahnos

    Well conscider this it is not only trucking ages that are slugest to rise but wages in all aeras except union shops have been stagnet since that time as well.This has left us with a low inflation rate since the time of Reggan.Prices on goods were stable were steady as well with only slight increases in prices.About fifteen years I could buy a new Kenworth with sleeper package for around $89,000.Now it is about $125,000 for a Freightliner,a bottom end truck.Now I didn’t look into big sleepers and bells and wistles when I priced those trucks.Insurance has also gone way up.I could go on and on this way.Now with all that trucking compainys have to comply to ,it becomes much more than drivers wages that need to be consered.The trick is to stay out of debt as much as possable and still make money at it.When increses happen that you have little to no control over you have to cut whatever you can to stay afloat.So wages taxes insurace and so on have to be consered before wages can possably go up.I don remember the days of runaway inflation back in the late 60’s and 70’sIt was very hard to have a buget that would work for very long.I don’t want to see those days again.So that is one reason I like non union labor and think unions should be outlawed.Back then workers wages were the main driver if the double diget inflation we had back then

  • experienced

    are you nuts? over 6 million miles! 40 years of driving 150,000 miles a year? you’re f——g crazy

  • experienced

    also don’t know how to spell

  • Vrahnos

    Another left winger.

  • Del Ray Johnson

    Like I said the problem is people like you you got more excuses than @#$% going to the electric chair. You are not making sense just excuses and you have many problems answering questions you continue to go off on tangents and if you worked from me I would have fired you on the spot. Your nonsense latest makes no sense so WHY ARE NOT FUEL PRICES THE SAME. I will tell you why oil companies could careless and me too! You are our worst enemy pro-company the foolish poor company driver happee to be sitting in a truck at the truck stops!

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