More hours flexibility could ‘ease e-log angst’?

| May 14, 2014
Roberts and others questioned the results of this question, asked as part of Overdrive's late March/early April ELD Survey. Read more about the results via this story.

Roberts and others throughout the industry have questioned the results of this question, asked as part of Overdrive’s late March/early April ELD Survey. Read more about the results via this story.

Overdrive Equipment Editor Jack Roberts asked the question in the title of a blog post on the CCJ website in which he discusses the hours flexibility issue relative to the proposed electronic logging device mandate. (The issue was also recently discussed in this Overdrive Extra blog post by Max Heine and on the Channel 19 blog and elsewhere.)

Roberts’ commentary followed an appearance on Sirius XM’s Road Dog Channel 128 with host Mark Willis. “Going on the show gives me an opportunity to talk directly with drivers,” he wrote, “who never fail to impress me with their grasp of industry issues.”

His appearance followed a prior post, in which Roberts suggested that drivers could be the party to most benefit from the ELD mandate. Not all the viewpoints he heard on the radio were negative. “The feedback from drivers who were already using e-logs was overwhelmingly positive,” he noted. “In fact, not a single pro-e-log caller that day had anything negative at all to say about the devices.”

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Among the views he heard among those opposed to the proposed mandate was on the flexibility issue. “In short,” he wrote, “drivers were concerned that e-logs will somehow remove their ability to adapt to road conditions, traffic, weather and untold other factors day-to-day. The most common scenario given was running out of time: Being within striking distance of getting home, seeing the family, having a home-cooked meal and climbing into your own bed – but being denied those well-earned privileges because an electronic box has logged you as being ‘out of hours.'”

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While some of these situations could in particular cases be covered by the personal-conveyance and/or specific emergency provisions relative to the hours rule, many, as we all know, would not.

“The issue of flexibility has to be addressed in a meaningful and fair way,” he wrote. You can read his full commentary here.

  • idontknowyou

    That survey is a bunch of bull designed to freak people out. “I’m gonna quit my job and dump my career because I’m forced to run legally!” said no one worth keeping, ever.

  • David Ebnet

    As a former elog driver now paper i don’t want to go back there are things that need to be addressed before it becomes mandatory for everyone is drive all day park do your 10 sit all day without a load then when night comes your ready to sleep and warm they have a load for you now because that box says you have hours you are forced to run….
    I think we all need to worry more about dispatching and less on the logs fine the companies for poor planning, threatening the drivers when they don’t feel safe to take a load. If they really wanted us to do a better safer job give us a voice to do so.
    Since I am already on a rant here let me voice one other concern these companies who won’t fix their equipment. You tell them it needs to be fixed and are ignored. As a driver we all know we have to keep moving so we can keep food on the table for our family goes out we get the ticket not the company. I know some of you are going to say then refuse to drive. Well read my prior statement some of us have no choice as we are the main or only income. So the ability to turn down loads isn’t an option.

  • lastgoodusername

    who could possibly need flexibility in this business. make it all cast in stone , iron clad , no more exemptions.

  • ruan

    I know several people who would throw in the towel. If that happens me being one!! Or buy more trucks hire drivers and let them run like that next well have to govern our trucks at 60mph. To many rules and to many people with no common sense!!! 70 hours in 8 days is a crock also anyone else can work their butts off why can’t we!!! 70 n 8 days makes you tired from sitting in your truck too much!!!!!

  • Wizard

    As far as the equipment issue goes — If you have DOT safety defect issues find the first scale and request a Level 1 inspection — The defects WILL get fixed quickly

  • David Ebnet

    Then there you go now your stuck at the scale away from home not getting paid and it goes on your CSA and possibly a fine to go with it.

  • Wizard

    Trust me on this, if you go into a scalehouse and explain to them that the company would not repair the defects it will not go on your record if you are a company driver. When I used to be a company driver I did this more than once and it never wound up on my record.

  • Mr NA

    “TRUST ME YOUR HONOR. THAT IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT HAPPENED”
    Glad your fairy tale worked out for you. Now check into reality and acknowledge how the Man is hell bent on controlling your every move.

  • idontknowyou

    Sitting at a desk or standing behind a counter for more than 70 hours doesn’t generally result in someone else dying. That aside – you’re saying you can’t compete unless you run illegal? People running illegally is the reason e-logs are here. Way to go :-/…

    By the way, ever hear of supply and demand? Haven’t you noticed rates have been going up as available hours go down?

  • Glen

    Ok how about going to the er where the drs maybe on duty for days at a time with out a break. Tell me er accidents don’t result in death and serious injury. Why are they not restricted as we are?

    70 hrs in 8 days is fine by me. I simply recap and continue to run. The only drivers that have a particularly difficult time with this is those that came into the industry after 2003 rules went into effect. Before that time you had to recap as there was no such thing as a reset. Drivers at that time did have more flexibility in the hours for sure but what is stopping anybody from running 4.25 hrs and taking a break and then running another 4.25 hours. This allows for a break upto 5 hours or so and you’ll never run out of hours.

    Think about it this, front office personnel work 8 hrs a day and why should you work 14? If you operate on an 8.75 hr daily average you can run the same miles, be better rested and possibly have higher earning if your moving freight on % thru contract, or brokers. Manage your time and see better results.

  • Glen

    Simple to fix that situation. Tell the company you are fatigued and not safe to operate at this time. They can do nothing to you

  • PattyCakes

    E-Logs …. sure, why not !

    Of course the flip side of that bullsh*t is a Camera in the Office(s) of anyone party to Signing and/or Enforcing the Reg, as well as a Ankle-Bracelet for the same folks.

    Huh … what … wtf-do-u-mean, what’s good for the goose ain’t good for the gander

  • hotdog

    And if you persist in being fatigued and not safe to operate on a regular basis they will find a way to can you anyhow.

  • hotdog

    “In fact, not a single pro-e-log caller that day had anything negative at all to say about the devices.”
    And I bet not a single caller was an owner operator with his own authority cause NONE of them would bother spending hundreds of dollars on a gadget that keeps track of their every move and doesn’t add one dime to their bottom line!
    Let me see……a device that tracks and records my every move and then reports it to…….ME…..sounds like a government program looking for a reason to exist.

  • Paladin

    I agree, it is not about safety so much as the govt has no right to track any of its citizens. They are unconstitutional and violate a persons civil rights. If large companies wish to voluntarily use them great for them, leave me out of it.

  • Truckerjohn

    The 30 minute break does that to me, it’s just enough time for me to start to wind down, then I’m sleepy for the rest of the day.

  • guest

    They are right…you might be 30 minutes from home and run out of hours…you are FORCED to park for 10 hours…..or be in VIOLATION which is documented by this ELOG and remains there…..this is only ONE scenario you will encounter with elogs…..it is a genuine P.O.S.

  • guest

    Yep David is telling the truth. This crap happens constantly to company drivers…..it really is a job NOT worth having when you have to work for a company like this…and there are PLENTY.

  • guest

    Yes and that company Manager will make your life a living Hell for requesting that inspection..and they have ways of finding out….when they find out YOU are not a “team player” and are basically a “problem”…..they will get you to quit…

  • guest

    Only an imbicile would purchase a device to Tattle on Himself….and display the data for Cops to shut you down and issue a heavy fine??? Great Business Move for sure…buy 2 or 3…….

  • David Ebnet

    Agreed

  • David Ebnet

    Except cut all your loads leave you sit and claim you are too tired to work till you quit…

  • idontknowyou

    “Out of hours” means “Out of hours” – it doesn’t matter how close to home you are. The reg doesn’t say “10 hours, unless you’re close to home, then you can keep driving”.

  • jared

    I would like to personally thank all those who are for e logs and all the new regs that have and are about to go into effect because you and annd the U.S government should’ve kept out outta trucking and y’all with be the down fall of what was once the greatest industry in this country but then all you great great great steering wheel holders came along and well between you and the government well y’all F@$!÷D that up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • idontknowyou

    Someone’s in the bitter barn… You’re welcome :)

  • godfearingrebel

    Why dont you try buying a truck and driving it for a living before you express an opinion?

  • Rich Miller

    ELDS shouldn’t be mandatory for the entire industry. However, if a company chooses to use ELDS those drivers just need to accept it. Those companies are not violating your privacy. It’s their equipment and you’re their employee. They have a right to enforce any policy they want.

  • idontknowyou

    Bad guess GFR… You just keep on crying about the evils of regulation while I keep watching my revenue per mile go up.

  • Gundermin

    My customers don’t receive or ship on that schedule or at all on weekends. I run NE region so almost all my loads are 300 miles or under (paid on percentage). I would go broke averaging 8.75 hour days.

  • jared

    Ya I’m not gonna be watching your revenue go up to far there bud cause before to long if things keep going the way they are your gonna be in a day cab making $10hr 8hrs a day……..that’s where it is headed like i said trucking is gonna go down the drain…….you people crying oh my dispatcher this he said that my company is making me its simple you tell them an easy 2 letter word that is NO if they dont get it go in and drag him over his desk he’ll understand real quick…..simple as that or in my case my size you take a binder bar with you but hey only gotta make your point once don’t need all these new rules and regs (geared at saftey my left nut they are about money plain and simple) cause you steering wheel holding cry babies can’t stand up and say no

  • MarsRiver

    I agree with you David. Unfortunately it will require another rule/mandate. Company drivers are required to submit a write up at time of service. Maintain a copy as proof of your attempt to get the item(s) repaired and that the company refused by evidence the item is still in disrepair. The citation should then be forwarded to the company and not create fallout towards the drivers. Naturally the big boys and their”constituency” won’t go for this so neither will the government. Oh, they’re one and the same. Hmmmm!

  • norman ott

    That’s about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

  • Dennis Lee

    Make sure you go to your local cop shop and pay the fine for forgetting to wear your seal belt one time. Since you want to be so legal.

  • idontknowyou

    Seal belts aren’t illegal – just in poor taste.

  • bryan s blue

    Damn, I agree all the way my follower driver, Its damn shame this E-logs prevent to do anything..food on table, clothes on our back, cars, furniture in the house by a rig.If u slow rigs down, well then nothing can get there to the public to have for used..E-logs is good yo kept DOT off us backs, its only good for..E-logs does kept us drivers down and rescheduling appts a lot because E-logs prevent us drivers to go further for a del or for a pick up..

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