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‘You don’t need to outrun the bear’: NASTC head Dave Owen’s case to small fleets for e-logs

| August 30, 2016

Dave Owen, head of the National Association of  Small Trucking Companies, and Terry Frey of the BigRoad smartphone-app-based logging device and full-fledged ELD provider, appeared jointly in a session last Friday at the Great American Trucking Show, where Owen delivered the address you’ll hear in the podcast above and below.

Owen believes that programs such as BigRoad in their most basic forms — available free of charge to operators as stand-alone hours recording apps on smartphones/tablets that are not synced with the engine — offer powerful tools to small fleets to solve what’s been an outsize problem for that group: high numbers in the Hours of Service BASIC category of measurement under CSA. Such programs provide a “real-time log audit,” he says, on “every truck, every driver … that you can edit.”

In his address, he encourages those not doing so today to utilize such programs, “before they make you turn it into an ELD” by syncing with the engine, to do what they’re designed to do as a “spellcheck for logs”: solve the problem of form-and-manner mistakes represented in safety scores and stats. “Don’t pay us $20-$25 a truck to do your log audits for you. … When I initially got excited about BigRoad, it was about this — log audits.”

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The NASTC/BigRoad session was one of two at the Great American Trucking Show devoted specifically to hours of service and the coming ELD mandate, and talk about the mandate throughout the many conversations I had over four days in Dallas overshadowed even news of the speed-limiter mandate proposal released last Friday, while we were there. Most owner-operators continue in a holding pattern on ELD implementation awaiting the outcome of the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association’s lawsuit to block the mandate. About which, said Owen:

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The reason [FMCSA] mandated [ELDs] is because the big companies had to go to [ELDs] because they turn drivers over so much they could never get drivers trained enough to do it under the complicated system. … They mandated it once, and OOIDA sued them – OOIDA’s suing them again, and I hope they prevail again. In the meantime, however, because of the bell-shaped curve of CSA, we’ve reached a tipping point — if you don’t go ahead and bite the ELD bullet, and you’re running long, your numbers in CSA are going to get …

Worse and worse, as he sees it, as others get ELDs.

Early on in his presentation he told an old joke I’ve heard him tell before about a couple campers in their tent when a bear shows up and starts crashing their campsite. “One guy rolls over, gets out his flashlight, gets his duffel bag out and puts his shoes on.” He opens a Snickers bar and starts stretching his hamstring.

What are you doing? the other guy says. You can’t outrun that bear.

But he doesn’t have to, of course. “I’ve just got to outrun you.”

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“You can’t outrun the bear,” says Owen, “you cannot outrun the larger carriers, who have millions of dollars … to throw at safety. But you don’t have to. As a small trucking company, you just have to outrun your peer group” when it comes to safety scores. Electronic logs — whether a full engine-connected ELD or not — gives any small operation getting enough inspections to register in the CSA program a bit of a speed boost in the race, he believes.

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38 comments
W1272
W1272

Tried elogs,they suck ,eos

Jibbs3
Jibbs3

I've never seen so many ignorant comments, and most are from those who don't not a dam thing about elogs. 

They just think they do. Those who sy they run legal on paper and bost, 95% of the time they are the cheaters.

There are those that cry about "our" rights. When on company time, you don't have that right. 

Those that say they will quit, do so asap, we don't need you and your crying. If it were up to me, I'd fire everyone

of you crybabies! When you own the company, you can do whatever you want, until then just get back to work.

we don't need you! Adapt or get out of the way!

Jibbs3
Jibbs3

I've been driving for 34 years, as in any business, you adapt or get left behind, it's just that simple.

How do you think we became the greatest nation on earth?  Most of the guys I work with say we can't do our job with elogs,

and thats because they cheat and sllep all the time. It's funny that I can do it 6 or 7 days aweek

with no problem.

GilLWilliams
GilLWilliams

There's a hell of a difference between freely adapting and being forced into something I don't want to do by the government. I've been on elogs 2 years now and they SUCK . You wanna talk about years drivin try 46 my dad put me in a 6 wheeler when I turned 16 and I been in some kind of truck ever since.

Yes I work for a big company now and make good money and that's why I stay but if this elog thing gets shot down I'll be lookin for something different , same money no elog I'm gone . We have runs that take every bit of the11 and I don't need the stress wondering will I make it.

I don't give up rights just because I work for a company cause without ME they can't write out that truck payment.

You wanna be told when to start and when to stop that's fine I don't need anyone to powder my ass and put me to bed at night.

That's what's wrong with the direction this country is going , to many people in government think I can't survive on my own and starting to be to many people that can't survive on their own.

GOVERNMENT , GET THE HELL OUTTA MY TRUCK !

Dtops
Dtops

@GilLWilliams You are "told when to start and when to stop" with paper logs too...no difference.  If you can't run legal with paper than you're acting like an idiot. People I know with e-logs like it because it counts every minute and saves time at the end of the week. 

GilLWilliams
GilLWilliams

I like you to to, u name calling little twit , if I ran LEGAL with paper ?

If you can say that You do EVERYTHING to a T that the government tells you then I will kiss your perfect ass . And I'm talkin in your everyday life , otherwise don't call me names cause I cheated on a paper log and if you've never done it then your an underachiever . I know guys that will run by the book so they don't have to over do it , but by god on their way to the house , they'll frigin cheat.

Like I always say , u need your ass powdered and put to bed at night then I'm happy for you. IDIOT

GilLWilliams
GilLWilliams

Now I gotta do the10 unless it works out I can split it , with paper who would set in one spot for10 , well dtops would , 6 to 8 hrs is plenty.

Dtops
Dtops

@GilLWilliams I guess that you need to re-read what I said.  I said that you were "acting like an idiot" .  I never called you an idiot or any other name.   But...since you obviously cannot read and your rant just goes to prove that your ARE in fact....an idiot.......idiot. There....now I called you a name. 

GilLWilliams
GilLWilliams

Your right I'm an idiot I don't know the difference of acting like an idiot and being an idiot . I'll never figure out how something that counts EVERY minute saved time at the end of the week , I must be an idiot .

With paper logs I start and stop when I want to but at the end of the day I would make it look like I was starting and stopping when the government said I could and they think I'm a good little boy.

We've got guys that love the elogs but they don't run very hard so that10 hr break really don't cut into their drivin , I hate that10 hr break , who needs to park for10 hrs besides underachievers.

cplll
cplll

I pay 3.99 a month for logs . The elog mandate in my opinion has nothing to do with safety , it's all about the money to be made . Sure you have some things for free now but let this go into effect and free will go away and in a few years the crowd of 26 makers will be down to a few and because this is going to be mandatory in trucks they charge what they want .The sky is the limit

TajiahRuthBain
TajiahRuthBain

I own one truck and drive a company truck. E-logs suck. Where did the truck association ever get the idea they are our voice. The big trucking companies are just tring to level the playing field. Controlling the small guy. Paper logs and the 5-5 rule helped drivers stop when tied.. Now it is a race to the finish line. Elogs and speed reduction is holding up traffic and making drivers over tired. Finding places to park and off duty in time. What a nightmare. Where is it going to end. Lets not forget the 30 minutes break. That just messes up the whole day. We all get out and pee. Get coffee. Eat. We dont need the break. We take enough breaks just for them.

dallas55
dallas55

been driving for 12 yrs owner opp using e logs for 6 months now an it is way easier! paper logs be gone! i use keeptruckin app 

jsnacks
jsnacks

Why is the NASTC recommending an ELD provider that isn't approved by the FMCSA? Probably because Dave Owen is in bed with BigRoad. Doesn't seem like he's being good counsel for NASTC members :(

My name here
My name here

When is the strike going to start? You folks should know they're not going to stop this nonsense anytime soon.

RC 1
RC 1

No thanks, I'll stick with my paper logbook. If im logging legally, there's no problem. Is it.

gearjamn
gearjamn

Paper logs are SO MUCH easier and CHEAPER ....I print my own logs in the truck on 8 1/2 x 11  paper 2 logs per sheet the paper cost for 500 sheets is $4 which is almost 2 years of logs and  one ink cartridge $27   I scan them back in to the e-mal them home in case of an audit...NO postage fees cheap , easy , simple and they want us to use this BS that increases our costs ?? One month of this BS e-log service is typically MORE than almost 2 years of my logs now. And now they are going to try and tell us though the speed limit is whatever where ever we are going to limit your speeds ...these Nutsack government officials need to have a wake up call.....maybe a horses head in their beds when they wake up will give them the picture they need or at least a little scare into what may be coming for them if they continue this communistic BS.

redjebn
redjebn

Let's not jump the gun. Ooida has a good case. Elogs combined with the 14 hour clock is dangerous and unsafe.

CheryD
CheryD

He assumes that any of us running paper logs won't pass an inspection. We run three trucks right now, and last year 6, we've been inspected many times and not one log book violation. Keep your ELD and I'll hope that OOIDA prevails again!

YoteAnders
YoteAnders

If any of this were truly about safety, they would make it a crime for law enforcement to have quotas and "contests" for the most inspections with violations. If it were about safety, they would judge us with the same standard they would want used on themselves, with the same curve for humanity. FMCSA will never be satisfied until all the trucks are driverless. Computers don't make mistakes - but who would they blame for accidents then???

GilLWilliams
GilLWilliams

Another sell out gettin his back pocket filled.

arlynpln
arlynpln

AllanMcCullough1 what kind of computer log system do you use

AllanMcCullough1
AllanMcCullough1

@arlynpln Truckers Helper. I use their trucking based accounting program which includes the logging program.

Pink panther 324
Pink panther 324

how about we just start a war and kill all these pencil pusher who keep coming up with this bs i just dont know how we ever made these last 50 years with out there technolgy they are trying to regulate us to where we never ever get into a accident  

MichaelSinclair
MichaelSinclair

Actually the hours of service has been around since 1939. That's over 75 years, and I do believe that if they used the statics showing the # of safe miles traveled instead of the # of accidents, it would give a more realistic picture of decreased accidents and improved safety.

Left Nardy
Left Nardy

One has to wonder if Overdrive and Road Dog is the ATA controlled arms of the media pertaining to the transportation industry.

AllanMcCullough1
AllanMcCullough1

Been using computer log for several years and wouldn't go back to paper.

Computer log keeps track of miles, hours and can be edited easier than a paper log, what's not to like?

H454
H454

@AllanMcCullough1 If your An O/O thats fine, but when you're a company driver that has there elogs locked and NO choice in load, than they really suck.

YoteAnders
YoteAnders

@AllanMcCullough1  i don't like not having a choice. I thought we were free citizens. We should not just surrender our rights to make our own choices. I have run both ways and i can honestly say e logs are a pain in the a**. It takes 2 seconds to draw a line - it takes a lot of garbage to go thru the program and enter the right macros and tell it where you are .... just let me do my logs my way. If i screw up, I'm a big girl  - I'll take the lumps. It wouldn't hurt if the DOT used just an ounce of humanity when inspecting - the English teacher monitors are nothing but anal and contribute nothing but road rage.

redjebn
redjebn

I seen you out on the road trying to make it to the truck stop before your 14 runs out with your eyes half shut. The human factor comes into play when you have a clock over your head tick tock. Your statement let's every body know you cut corners out of pure laziness. ELD drivers are unsafe and dangerous.

Norman Ott
Norman Ott

I tried big road logs while I had a smart phone, about 6 weeks. Did not like either of them.  Only one reason for Elogs, to make it easier on enforcement.

SteveMotyl
SteveMotyl

I believe Dave Owens is a Child molester who wants 2 things; Young boys to have sex with and the Destruction of America thru Nazi like tactics to avoid the law of the Constitution.